Ban the burka?

[TalkToTheHand123]

Question asked in the commons today. Should it be banned?

If everyone is going to debate what Muslim women should be allowed to wear, then can we at least use the correct terminology? Otherwise it sounds like Islamophobia, not feminism. I don’t think we should ban face coverings. I think we should listen to women in those communities about what would be helpful for women in controlling relationships. But that would obviously be expensive so isn’t going to happen.

Have you been to Birmingham lately?

”this is England” 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

Why not? All forms of religious headgear, including the hijab, were banned in France in 2005 on the grounds of laïcité.

Oh my goodness, do you understand a 1000 or more years isn't the same as the past 20 years.

Where else are women required not to leave the house without a man's permission or to cover themselves in robes? And that's perfectly legal?

Is that in the North or South?

Why do we need this in the first place and who's going to fund it?
Why import a problem?
They are here on the understanding they'd be compatible with British culture which is proving impossible.

I did not say that Islam was a race. But that doesn't make you less racist. And "the records" don't even begin to touch the edges of who was here before there were records. And that is before we touch on the fact that you are from Africa.

If you think you are emancipated now, then you are delusional.

I don't care what what you think of my argument - please dispute that Islamic universities had women students when the "UK" (which didn't exist) didn't even have universities. The oldest of those universities was founded by a woman -https://theglobalacademy.ac/the-worlds-first-university-was-founded-by-a-woman/

The typical and expected response of a racist is to impose their views on others without a shred of evidence to support their argument.

This is a red herring. Beekeepers wear their beekeepers suits when tending to their bees, not when travelling on public transport or walking through a town centre.

So you think there is no problem from British culture that controls, degrades and abuses women?
You think this isn’t carried out by British men?

Neither do I. It was a silly tactic that made her look foolish.

Freedom = Slavery

These womens situations, covered from head to toe, are not comparable to wearing a wig.

These women cannot stop wearing their repressive garb unless the law says so, because they are pressured through extreme fear to carry on wearing it.
Do not draw comparisons with wearing a wig.

No.... We live in a free country stop telling women what the can and can't wear

I’m not sure why you’re bringing up universities from ages ago but are you ok with the countries are now? The link below to Iran for example.

I do. When a Muslim woman was founding the first university in the world 1000 years ago, Andrew Tate was not alive. He has been alive for the last 20 years - and carries massive influence in the manosphere of millions of men who happen not to be Muslim. Coercive control is the exclusive domain of no country, culture, or religion.

Can we also ban covering our tits? I don't think any woman should be ashamed of their tits and the only way to stop the misogyny should be full tits out at all times and a criminal record for covering them. Sure some women will be forced to stay at home if they're not comfortable with their tits out in public but I feel the only way we can ever have true feminism is by taking away peoples choice to wear whatever tf they like....

Fuck right off with this law enforced racism. Fucking MAGA inspired populist bullshit.

Why on earth should the law tell women what the can and can’t wear? That goes against pretty much all interpretations of British values.
It’s a reflection of their culture and religion, similarly to Jewish women only a small portion of them actually reflect their religion in how they dress daily to that extent. Most Muslim women are not wearing a burka.

Why are you going on about universities in countries other than the UK?
I live here, my family is buried here, in the pits, on the land, in the sea, going back centuries.
I am discussing my home, and this is the UK and this is my home.
I am a British woman who is proud of the British women who came before me. I am proud of their fight for emancipation.
I am proud that their fight allowed me a bank account. It allows me to vote. It allows me an education. It allows me divorce and abortion. It allows me the freedom to feel the wind in my hair.
I don't want women in Britain to be forced to wear a horrible, restrictive and repressive religious costume. I understand these women need help to be freed.

It's interesting to me that they're always black yet the men get to wear white. These women must be being cooked alive in hot climates. It's not to protect women it's a sign of control and hatred. Remember when David Cameron called the UK a Christian country and the outrage and declarations that we are a secular country? Burkas have no place in our secular society.

Beaches, swimming pools and public and private gardens are good places for being semi-clad. Town centres and shopping centres are not good places.

I always find this an interesting argument. Society effectively bans lots of items of clothing in different contexts. I can’t just walk down the street in a thong and nipple tassles for instance. I cant go to work in a bikini. My child has to wear a suit to school- he can’t wear jeans. It is perfectly allowable to say certain clothing is not allowed in certain contexts.

I for one dislike religious clothing of any description. It is acts as a division between people and sorts people into tribes who associate together which goes a sense of united culture. I personally think no one should have any visible identification of their religion on them (aside from if it is part of your profession).

I have never met amongst thousands of European culture and descent people across many decades anyone who wanted to cover up in sheets to prevent lust in men when they went out nor a single woman that needed a man's permission to leave the house. It would have been illegal to and domestic abuse.

There are some problems but the scale and nature of restricting women's freedom aren't the same as the imported problems of unknown cruelty to women that are executed legally and supported widely.

But keep bleating.

There are extremely valid reasons to do so.