Ban the burka?

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Question asked in the commons today. Should it be banned?

Yes! Absolutely. There is no place for it in this country. Read Kellie Jay Keens messages on X she has been receiving from women in Saudi Arabia, they are heartbreaking.

Only if we also ban the balaclava, worn by hordes of young men on illegal bikes, or simply while hanging around trying to look cool/ intimidating/ utterly ridiculous.

I think we should ban the men that feel it is necessary and incite/commit violence when women choose not to wear one.

No.

I don’t like the idea of any woman being forced to wear anything but many women make their own informed choice to wear one and as much as I don’t feel the same it’s not my place to tell them they are wrong.

Absolutely not. I think its important that everyone can wear what they want in a free society. And if a woman is being forced to wear it, how will another authority forcing her not to wear it, help? That just means she's going to be doubly bullied and oppressed.

Banning the burka would be gratuitously offensive and authoritarian. Pointlessly trampling over people's faith and culture, and subjecting women to even more oppressive pressure relating to appearance than they already face.

What clown in parliament suggested this?

Covid kind of confused this issue when we had to wear masks, but I personally think that in public, a person's face should be visible. People can cover their body/head/hair however they want. But the eyes nose and mouth need to be visible for identity and security purposes IMO. Don't know how this fits with halloween costumes, but generally on a day to day basis, I think faces should be visible.

People should be able to wear what they want to regardless (within reason aka decency).

I'm not keen on anything with a veil across the face but I don't see why not as long as they take it off when needed.

Let women wear whatever the hell they like, including a burka.

or do we think nuns’ habits should be banned? Or the modest clothing of other religious groups? Mormons? Orthodox Jews?

no because this is about Islamophobia.

I don’t think the state telling women what they can and cannot wear is a direction we want to travel in.

I may not like what I see as a misogynistic, patriarchal religion dictating appropriate clothing for women, but that’s me as an individual. Other people will see things differently. That’s the strength of a liberal democracy.

No. It would be very authoritarian to ban an article of clothing.

Make it illegal for men for force anyone to instead. If it's a choice, it's fine. I hate religion and think all religious wear that involves covering up (such as Habits) are oppressive to women at their roots, but I'm also strongly opposed to the state interfering with what we wear.

Is this a real issue - I live in Inner London and see very few women wearing face coverings.

As for an actual burka, as worn in Afghanistan, in all my 50 years in London have only seen a handful.

Which pillock asked this?

In public spaces and buildings yes, the burka (specifically the face covering) restricts the freedom & ability to communicate with society, of women and girls, and has no place in an educated civilised society.

What people do in their own homes is up to them.

Coverings which only leave the eyes? Absolutely, yes.
It's all about oppression and control.

There’s nothing positive about it. The only arguments for it are minimising the negatives (e.g., without it their families might not let women out of the house). I think it would be reasonable to ban any item of clothing that covers someone’s identity on security grounds, e.g., when inside public spaces. Security cameras offer little to no protection to the public if people cover their faces. It shouldn’t be banned in private spaces or outside (e.g., a balaclava or face covering scarf on a cold day).

It's not any sort of phobia.
Head coverings are completely different than something which pretty much covers the whole face - it's nothing other than oppression. The 'choice' to wear it is normally a rock and a hard place sort of choice. Loads of muslims follow their faith without taking such extreme measures.

I think that face coverings regardless of religion, in certain environments shouldn't be permitted, particularly where hiding your face poses a potential threat. Ten years ago you couldn't wear a bike helmet in a shop because your face is covered. Now just eat bikers are in and out of every shop in the high street in them.

In public places yes. We have to ask bikers to remove their helmets when they come in to pay for their petrol where I work so they are visible on CCTV but if someone comes in wearing a burka it’s okay for some reason. Anything that covers the face fully should be banned in public for security reasons regardless of what purpose it’s for.

That’s pretty much my view too.

No woman would willingly wear a burka

It gets to the hurt of culture of coercion

they totally should be banned. It’s like slaves wearing chains. It’s abhorrent.

Ban it. Look at Iran. The women are oppressed and the Islamic clothing is part and parcel of that oppression.

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Anything that covers the face fully should be banned in public for security reasons regardless of what purpose it’s for.

Food delivery guys on their bikes can be tootling along with safety helmets and masks on, and why not, their doing a job and trying to save their skull and lungs, so that would be OK; but what about a women in a face covering on the bus on her way to work, minding her own business, is that not OK?

It's just not practical to ban face coverings when out and about in public.

I've lived in London all my life and never seen an actual burka. Regardless, I think it's completely wrong for the state to tell women that they must uncover a part of their body that they want to keep covered, including when that part is the face.

Women being forced to cover their hair or faces is equally wrong. It should be up to the individual to dress as they prefer. The women I've spoken to who wear niqabs (covering lower face but not eyes) do so by choice.