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Ban the burka?

471 replies

TalkToTheHand123 · 04/06/2025 17:56

Question asked in the commons today. Should it be banned?

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2024onwardsandup · 04/06/2025 18:38

MidnightGloria · 04/06/2025 18:36

I've lived in London all my life and never seen an actual burka. Regardless, I think it's completely wrong for the state to tell women that they must uncover a part of their body that they want to keep covered, including when that part is the face.

Women being forced to cover their hair or faces is equally wrong. It should be up to the individual to dress as they prefer. The women I've spoken to who wear niqabs (covering lower face but not eyes) do so by choice.

Bollocks - if women would willingly choose to do that why do no women from western cultures willing do it?

if my friend wouldn’t leave the house without her face covered I’d be driving her to therapy.

and I have seen many women in London in full
burkha. Next to men swanning around in comfy clothes. It is violent coercion and domestic abuse on display.

FortyElephants · 04/06/2025 18:39

Who the fuck are we to talk about banning any item of clothing that other people choose to wear? Outrageous.

xanthomelana · 04/06/2025 18:42

Westfacing · 04/06/2025 18:29

Anything that covers the face fully should be banned in public for security reasons regardless of what purpose it’s for.

Food delivery guys on their bikes can be tootling along with safety helmets and masks on, and why not, their doing a job and trying to save their skull and lungs, so that would be OK; but what about a women in a face covering on the bus on her way to work, minding her own business, is that not OK?

It's just not practical to ban face coverings when out and about in public.

Like I said anything that covers the face in public spaces should be banned and yes, that includes delivery drivers as well. Obviously when riding the bike they should wear a helmet but when they stop and get off to go inside to retrieve their deliveries it should be removed. I don’t know how retail staff are supposed to conduct a challenge 25 without seeing a face and considering they can be prosecuted for serving anyone underage I don’t think it’s unreasonable to ask people to remove helmets, burkas or any other face coverings.

Hkakge · 04/06/2025 18:43

No. It would be extremely divisive for the country just when we don't need more divisions between communities, and it would fuel islamophobia and hate. We should be promoting tolerance between people in this country and banning the burkha won't achieve that.

scalt · 04/06/2025 18:43

It’s ironic that Saint Boris was forced to tell us to cover our faces moments after he had said “women” and “letter boxes” in the same sentence. Poor old Boris, he didn’t want to say that we had to wear masks, but his handlers made him do it, my heart bleeds for him. And then his own behavioural squad had to persuade him to mask up, by showing him a montage of masked world leaders, followed by a picture of himself not wearing one.

Are hoodies (the garments, not the people who wear them) still banned in Bluewater shopping centre, by the way?

EasternStandard · 04/06/2025 18:43

MidnightGloria · 04/06/2025 18:36

I've lived in London all my life and never seen an actual burka. Regardless, I think it's completely wrong for the state to tell women that they must uncover a part of their body that they want to keep covered, including when that part is the face.

Women being forced to cover their hair or faces is equally wrong. It should be up to the individual to dress as they prefer. The women I've spoken to who wear niqabs (covering lower face but not eyes) do so by choice.

I’m surprised you haven’t. It’s not that rare where I am, London too.

Sirzy · 04/06/2025 18:44

Westfacing · 04/06/2025 18:13

Which pillock asked this?

I don’t think anyone needs many guesses to figure which party it was from!

it was asked by Sarah Pochin and the PM confirmed it wouldn’t be happening.

IdaGlossop · 04/06/2025 18:46

Why this call now? The burka and niqab should have been banned in the UK 15 years ago. If you are a woman living in a society where women play a part in public life, your face needs to be visible so you can communicate fully. Had more attention been paid to integration and funding for the teaching of English as a foreign language not been progressively cut over the past decade, the conversation we are having now about high levels of migration might be more thoughtful and less inflammatory.

anotherside · 04/06/2025 18:49

Yes it shouldn’t be allowed in public spaces. Showing your face/expression is a key part of living in western society and building communal trust, unless there is a medical reason not to do so. (and the vast majority of other ones as well)

2024onwardsandup · 04/06/2025 18:49

FortyElephants · 04/06/2025 18:39

Who the fuck are we to talk about banning any item of clothing that other people choose to wear? Outrageous.

Do you genuinely think that women willingly wear burkas? They do it because they are threatened and coerced.

2024onwardsandup · 04/06/2025 18:49

Hkakge · 04/06/2025 18:43

No. It would be extremely divisive for the country just when we don't need more divisions between communities, and it would fuel islamophobia and hate. We should be promoting tolerance between people in this country and banning the burkha won't achieve that.

Why would we want to tolerate a practice of brutally repressing and controlling women?

Simonjt · 04/06/2025 18:51

Westfacing · 04/06/2025 18:13

Which pillock asked this?

Someone who wants to control women I assume, so a wanker.

hattie43 · 04/06/2025 18:51

Ban all face coverings of any description

TheHorticulturalHussy · 04/06/2025 18:52

It seems to me that the forcing of women, by men/tradition/religious sensitivities, to cover up is merely a visible symptom of parts of our population denying British women their rights. Surely we, as angry TERFy MN, should be very angry indeed about women kept at home and isolated, not able to speak English in some cases, totally denied their rights to free will and self determination. There are girls/women in this country subjected to fgm and forced marriages. There are girls/women in this country murdered for trying to escape this abuse - there is no honour in these killings. We rightly have laws against coercive control and abuse in all of its forms.

Obviously I am looking forward to this being derailed by cries of islamophobia.
I'm not, I honestly believe very strongly that this is about an unacceptable form of patriarchy that should be called out. The majority of Muslims do not, I believe, practice this oppression. There is abuse of women, to varying degrees, throughout our society regardless of colour or religious affinity.

So ....…................ Hit me.

EasternStandard · 04/06/2025 18:53

Simonjt · 04/06/2025 18:51

Someone who wants to control women I assume, so a wanker.

What’s your take on religion and control over women?

IdaGlossop · 04/06/2025 18:54

Mandarinaduck · 04/06/2025 18:10

Let women wear whatever the hell they like, including a burka.

or do we think nuns’ habits should be banned? Or the modest clothing of other religious groups? Mormons? Orthodox Jews?

no because this is about Islamophobia.

It isn't necessarily about Islamophobia. The call isn't for the hijab to be banned. Orthodox Jewish women and nuns cover their hair but not their faces.

Edited for typo

GingerBeverage · 04/06/2025 18:58

MidnightGloria · 04/06/2025 18:36

I've lived in London all my life and never seen an actual burka. Regardless, I think it's completely wrong for the state to tell women that they must uncover a part of their body that they want to keep covered, including when that part is the face.

Women being forced to cover their hair or faces is equally wrong. It should be up to the individual to dress as they prefer. The women I've spoken to who wear niqabs (covering lower face but not eyes) do so by choice.

What? I see them often and all over the place.

NancyBellaDonna · 04/06/2025 19:00

Westfacing · Today 18:13
Which pillock asked this?

This one...
Sarah Pochin is a British Reform UK politician who has served as the Member of Parliament (MP) for Runcorn and Helsby since May 2025. Apparently the question was asked in the 'interest of public safety'.

saraclara · 04/06/2025 19:02

MoistVonL · 04/06/2025 18:10

I don’t think the state telling women what they can and cannot wear is a direction we want to travel in.

I may not like what I see as a misogynistic, patriarchal religion dictating appropriate clothing for women, but that’s me as an individual. Other people will see things differently. That’s the strength of a liberal democracy.

This is my view. But in situations where someone needs to be able to be identified, or in situations where others are directed to remove motorcycle helmets etc, they should be obliged to remove it briefly.

ColinCaterpillarsNo1Fan · 04/06/2025 19:02

Ban thong bikinis in public so I don't have to see someone's barely covered arsehole in public.

GAJLY · 04/06/2025 19:04

Yes absolutely 💯 percent 👏

romdowa · 04/06/2025 19:04

If the burka is banned what happens to the women who are forced to wear it by their families/ husbands? Do they end up just stuck at home unable to leave ? I don't think that's a great solution. Maybe education might be better than a ban ?

2024onwardsandup · 04/06/2025 19:06

Simonjt · 04/06/2025 18:51

Someone who wants to control women I assume, so a wanker.

You don’t think women who wear burkas are being controlled by men?

it is about a cultural practice that is abhorrent for its oppression of women.

there are still many many problems with the oppression and violence against women in the UK - but burkas are absolutely EXTREME - and I think it should be are very clear that this is not tolerated in the UK

(Or anywhere - but that is another story)

FortyElephants · 04/06/2025 19:06

2024onwardsandup · 04/06/2025 18:49

Do you genuinely think that women willingly wear burkas? They do it because they are threatened and coerced.

Well firstly women don't wear burkas in this country. This is a burka (pic 1)
What right wingers are referring to in this country are usually abayas with niqab (pic2) and yes, I do know factually that plenty of women freely choose to wear them.

Ban the burka?
Ban the burka?
FortyElephants · 04/06/2025 19:07

GingerBeverage · 04/06/2025 18:58

What? I see them often and all over the place.

Burka or abaya with niqab? They aren't actually the same thing

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