Ban the burka?

[TalkToTheHand123]

Question asked in the commons today. Should it be banned?

So you think we should model our laws on Iran? Or is it different when we make laws telling women what to wear? Do you understand the cognitive dissonance here?

Iran it's forced. All women. .

It's nti British culture to cover your face

You can make laws of what to wear, just like we tell the naked rambler that's he's a nuisance.

For the good of all women, let's not support a barbaric practice.

The UK is not a Secular state.

If only it were.

Even then, Secularism doesn't necessarily extend to the Government dictating to citizens what they can, and can not wear in their own free time. As much as I desire a UK where religious interference in schools, politics, and sundry other aspects of State and public life is ended, I don't believe it's necessary to begin dictating to people what they can and can not wear. Even if you make the case for the Burka being a religious item in the first place, which is contentious at best, are you also about to stop ministers wearing a dog collar in public places, citizens wearing a crucifix on a chain around their necks, Jews wearing a Kippah?

There are far bigger fish to fry in the secular stakes than dictating to people how they can dress. Personally I couldn't care less if someone wants to wander around 24/7 dressed like the Pope, provided they aren't trying to impose their religious beliefs upon me or compel me to follow their particular religious dogma.

I believe that face coverings should be banned as a first step at the very least.

I am not a feminist

You mustnt meet a lot of women wearing he Burka or living in such communities. For some reason it's more enforced in England than overseas....

No, I don’t think so. However I think that in any situation where any other face covering would be requested to be removed, they should have to remove it.

Basically I’d ignore the religious aspect and treat it like any other face covering. We allow faces to be covered (scarves, balaclavas, covid face masks etc) but sometimes these must be removed, so treat the burka like that. To me, banning specifically a burka would be stupid, but also pointless if other ways of covering your face remain allowed.

It's interesting that's the label you took most offence to. 😬

In the past we didn't need laws banning burkas, but with the influx of a foreign religion which subjugated women, we now need a law.

We need it because we live in communities with these women. That includes communities with women who were were born here, came as children, came recently, can speak the language, who can't. They're already here. There is no feasible way for us to go backwards on that or to completely stop people from coming. And if there were I would fight it tooth and nail. The people I work with are kind, patient, trying their very best to carve out a happy life for themselves.

Immigration and movement of people has been a fact since time immemorial. If you want sensible, humane, limits on numbers or a more rigorous screening process then do that. But I'm sick of these blanket, mean, untrue statements about people I know and love.

I've worked across London in areas that would cause Nigel Farage et ilk to turn beetroot with indignity, and he's just wrong. It is totally possible for people to integrate and for people to get on. I see it every single day.

It's ok to say it's not what we want in our society. Women don't cover their face, do they. Not sure why it's so promoted and people love to promote this weird idea.

Given that the current terrorist attack status in the UK is ‘substantial’, ie, likely, then I think it’s important for matters of security that faces should be visible at all times, especially in public spaces. Police/intelligence need to be able to identify suspects when monitoring and investigating. Let me be clear that that means all face coverings, be it helmets, balaclavas, burkas.

London isn't really mixed, is it. Areas based on race and religion.

And why do you need people to cover their face in public, you don't. All face coverings in a public building or business should be banned.

Yep exactly. Just won't be enforced

influx of a foreign religion

Jeezy peeps.

Where do you think Christianity originated?

We are discussing modern life in the UK.

I’ve seen 3 in Chester recently, a predominantly white backwater

We. So us today

It is fascinating to read about the ban in Tajikistan (a 95% Muslim country) last year and why it was implemented.

ultimately, regardless of the religious aspect, society is always going to be divided between those who wish a harmonious unified one culture country and those who prefer a libertarian anything goes culture which just becomes a melting pot of different identities. I am on the former in that I think enforced cultural norms is not a bad thing (people on the whole tend to think Japan is wonderful for their general cultural uniformity) but I think we have gone too far on allowing cultural dilution by this point to be able to row back.

totally disingenuous to pretend that some Islamic approaches arent horrific for women’s rights.

just like other religions have been used to oppress women

there is nothing special or complex about it - it’s just men using religion to oppress women.

No, it is against the freedom of choice of the individual.
So if you ban a woman from wearing a certain item of clothing, you are oppressing their choice and freedoms. Which is the very thing that people that want to ban the burka say is wrong with islam, then you are basically just as bad as forcing women to wear a burka.
Many women wear them for personal choices and some may not.
I am not muslim either. I just believe in abfree democratic society.

We’d noticed.

They will get over it.

The personal safety and cohesion of society is worth more.