Ban the burka?

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Question asked in the commons today. Should it be banned?

This is a silly option. Men and women force the woman to wear it. They will say they want to wear bit as they are scared of their families. Women on twitter want it banned to allow them freedom. Listen to them.

It's a statement both of difference and of belonging to a specific group. So an identity. I think many women are happy enough to wear it to make that visible statement. Whether it's enhanced piety or a way of avoiding wider mixing, I don't know, as the local niqab wearers don't seem up for chatting. But it's odd that only women want to do it.

Whoever said that it's 'un- British' to tell people what they should wear : well it was never 'British' to cover your face and hide your very identity.

It was very British five years ago, in fact it was compulsory!

How about these women and men who wear or like the burka, take in to account the country they live in. Islam is not a religion that is British, and women have been repressed in the UK in our history. We went through emancipation, and I am damned if I should sit back and be welcoming to people when they do not respect my history or my culture of women's equality.

Having listened to and watched Reform's only female MP asking her question in Parliament today, I am of the view that it was carefully worded to appear reasonable, hiding the true anti-Islam sentiment of the questioner, who claims to have asked the question based on the majority wish of her constituents. While it's hard to disagree with the purported public safety angle, the burqa poses little risk. Who's heard of accidents involving women tripping over their burqa or bumping into people?

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We don’t have a culture of women’s equality. It’s less than 100 years since all adult women got the vote, 50 years since equal pay legislation went through and it’s still not being enacted. We don’t live in some feminist utopia, perhaps we should clean our own act up before we start interfering with women from other cultures and religions.

I don’t think anyone was fooled

It's not tolerant to support oppression. You cannot consent to own oppression. You know that. It normalises it and does much more harm than good. Turning tbe UK into a tribal society with each tribe to their own has done absolutely nothing to promote tolerance or freedom. It's nearly wiped out women's rights.

How are you using the word burka, what does the item look like? Because it’s quite frequent where I am.

You wear a hoodie. Then try to drape your whole body in sheets. Compare.

Christianity is not a religion that is British either! It was introduced and, in many ways, imposed on "British people" by "foreigners". As for women's equality, it still has a long way to go and includes the right of women to wear whatever the fuck they want to wear, and not be judged by ANYONE when they do so.

You really need to get better acquainted with your history - Muslim women were being educated in universities when your country had no universities. Yes, patriarchy has a lot to answer for and will continue to do so for some time. There are plenty of misogynists in the UK, and elsewhere. But do not try to pretend that you care about women when your agenda is actually about racism.

Literally 0.1% of Muslim women wear the burka. You are probably seeing the same woman again and again.

I think legislating for it would be difficult - in the winter, I cycle with my face covered, as do many others, as it means I'm breathing in warmer air, which keeps my lungs happy. I'm obviously not wearing a niqab, but I'm not sure how you could write legislation which distinguished between the two. I'm very much in public, as are the others I see (both men and women) doing the same.

Why? It's good for their skin, and it's comfortable and it's free.
Not like walking about in 40 degrees covered in a sheet in case this would trigger a lustful thought upon the chattel that belong to someone and implying women who expose skin are to be disrespected and unworthy.

I don’t think faces should be covered in public places but it’s for quote personal reasons, I realised during Covid that I lip read a lot as in busy places my hearing filtering of different sounds is poor (hearing is ok when quiet)

Do you really not see anyone? Maybe you frequent places where it’s more unlikely.

Here we move into difficult territory. Countries in the West have talked for at least 30 years about the importance of the integration of immigrant communities but often done little to bring it about. Now across Europe a tipping point is being reached because of the steep rise in immigration since 2016. Islam in its extreme incarnations is incompatible with the values of Christianity on which the West is built. We shouldn't be afraid to say that families headed by men who see women as lesser and who wish to live by the tenets of sharia law should leave the UK for a country whose values and culture mirror their own.

Typical and expected response.
My family and ancestors are all from the UK, back to when records began.
The women lived through every stage of womanhood in the UK. Through to emancipation.

I don't care for your argument.
Islam is not a race.

1000000%. This is England, can we go back to the British Basics and not let others rule our country.

Visit Bradford or Slough and see how men behave there too.

Oh I think you can legitimately legislate to remove it from public life, but it wouldn’t look like a “burqa ban” which is the headline grabber that some might like.

The main issue is that the burqa is a cultural requirement. You can definitely ban it - it wouldn’t even amount to religious discrimination because it’s a cultural requirement, not a strict religious one.

Definitely not. Anyone should be able to wear what they want. It’s also the start of a very slippery slope like in France where women can’t wear cover up clothing on the beach which they may wish to do for a variety reasons. It’s also an incredibly authoritarian invasion of civil liberties.

So should we ban Hasidic Jews from covering their hair? Is that a threat to your equality?

Not a lot of Christianity promotes equality for women either, should we ban that?

Who’s ruling your country? When I last looked it wasn’t law that you had to wear one?