Ban the burka?

[TalkToTheHand123]

Question asked in the commons today. Should it be banned?

I would be very happy if they do the ban but they will never in this country.

This control is tough to see.

It always surprises me how many women on here want to control how other women dress. Your leggings are too far up your arse, your bikini is too small, now it's a problem with how much of their body women cover up.

Supposedly so worried that men are forcing women to cover up that they would like to force women to do what they want instead. I wonder how many of the women here who are so keen to 'liberate' burqa wearers have ever actually bothered to speak to someone wearing one and ask them if they want to be forced to be 'liberated'.

Do you really think it is about wanting to control women? Have you ever had a burqa on?

i think it is an act of terrorism against women and should be banned as such

On the money. I don’t want the state dictating what anyone can or can’t wear. That’s the start of a very slippery slope. The fact that this was proposed by Reform’s latest and only female MP tells me all I want to know.

Absolutely agree!

Disliking things like those scrunch bum leggings and wanting to control what other women wear are two different things though.
Women don’t have to like everything other women do 🤷‍♀️
As for burkas/ niqab, I think many people see them as more than just a piece of clothing.

Women can't choose to wear hotpants in traditional Muslim countries, because many of those countries are intolerant. The UK is, for the most part, more tolerant. That's the difference. Tolerance, not burka vs non-burka. It's inherently un-British, to tell people what they can and can't wear.

Yes, for obvious reasons. Plenty of EU countries have already done this so it really isn’t that outrageous that we are discussing this

Also, are we in some sort of time warp? Wasn't this a storm in a teacup a few years back? The question was asked "should burkas be banned"? and we decided "No". Weird to be having all the same arguments again 🤷‍♀️

Is it your understanding women are ok
with it? Including countries where strict religious laws are imposed. What do you think of the link re Iran below?

I read on another platform that because France have banned it, there are now women who never go outside.

The law of unintended consequences.

Presumably grey tracksuit bottoms, a long-sleeved top and hair tied back but uncovered, is the only acceptable uniform. There'd still be fierce debate over whether it had been under or over washed though.

Burka is already banned in places like a courtroom where you need to see the person is who they say they are.

Live and let live. No one’s asking for a helmet or a beekeeper’s suit ban.

An actual ban probably means some women never leaving the house; but let’s not kid ourselves burqa wearing is liberated. You see some pretty clear examples in East and West London where it is an artifact of public control over women, and communicated as such. I don’t regard it as religious dress, plenty of women who are Muslim do without it. It’s associated with regressive thinking about women, and perhaps rather than “banning” we might talk about why that’s a thing in the UK

This is such a non-issue. How many women have I seen in burkas in the past 10 years. One. I live in Manchester which is fairly multicultural.

I think women should be able to wear what they want. We all have different standards of modesty and that's fine.

I think it's worth noting that pressure or encouragement in these communities to wear burkas is definitely not only coming from men. Aunties/sisters/mothers will be the ones setting examples and play a large part in encouraging women to carry on with tradition. That goes for things like the hijab as well as more decisive and dangerous practises like forced marriages and FGM. Little girls look up to their family members and generally will want to copy. That's true with just about every tradition or dynamic in the world. Telling women from these communities that they are being brainwashed or abused because of a choice they are making, and women in their circle are making, will only serve to dig their heels in.

Also why has this post appeared at the same time of another post promoting reform?

Wasn't this recently proposed by a reform MP?

That is the paradox of free speech - you can’t have free speech unless you prohibit speech that is against free speech

I agree. We need to help these women escape from the pressures of their families and society.

I think we should ban men and women who bully/incite/commit violence when women choose to wear one. There are plenty of racists around.

Women should be free to choose what they wear, and NOBODY should have the right to tell them what that should be. Burqa or bikini.

Maybe that’s it. The UK does hot pants and burqas.

can’t lie though, my experience in London encountering burqa wearing women was that they did not look very free, though they were certainly modest