Scared about a poll I read where Reform wins outright in First Past the Post????

[fixingmylife]

I guess we are years away from a General Election, but I am scared about the rise in populism and the seemingly popular Reform. I think it would be unthinkable to have Farage as our Prime Minister. I don't want a small state, private NHS, racist far right populist, Trumpist in charge of the country.

I know MN is generally fairly anti Reform, Brexit etc, but where are all these Reform voters. I don't know anyone personally who has admitted they would vote for them? Is it the all the disenfranchised young men?

You are contradicting yourself, if someone chooses to vote for an extreme right wing party support their values, their beliefs, they are extreme right wing- that's literally what they are!

It’s very pertinent @Plutocat. When people voted in good faith for the promises Labour made, only to find they are a bunch of outright liars and their manifesto only fit for loo roll, then those lied to voters will naturally look for an alternative party to vote for.

Again, you haven't explained why you think Reform will be strong advocates of disabled people's rights when they are correspondingly intent on slashing SEND funding in local councils?

Labour's failings are just that though- they don't Reform's actual policies any better!

I don’t know if they will @Goldenbear. I am not a Reform voter. However I do know that Labour pretended that they cared about the elderly and disabled and I voted for them
on that basis. They lied to me so I won’t fall for that again. Liars. I expect many feel the same so they are looking at alternative parties as a result.

Many Labour voters are disillusioned because the party has gone too far to the right, so unlikely they would vote Reform.

But anyway. Let's see how happy people will be 10 months after the next GE with a Reform government at the helm.

It will make what has happened over the last 10 months look like a cake walk.

Yes, absolutely, I didn't vote for Labour but DH did and most of his family, moving to the right is not the way Labour should be going.

Well, if Labour manages to make Reform look better then there only certain conclusions to be made.

Well, you should look into that before you do cast a vote in more than 3 years time as you may feel incredibly short changed again!

What about Reform's policies though, are they robust, are they going to deliver, no point in voting for a party just because you don't like Labour.

I don’t know.
Probably not, the same way Labour did not deliver.

So you are not a Reform fan?

No.

Bur I can see why they will win.

Same here @ChardonnaysBeastlyCat

Nail on the head. That's also why barely anyone votes for Libdems anymore either - after the coalition where they eagerly voted in favour of things they were against in their manifesto. People have long memories.

The next GE WILL be won by either Reform or Tories (if the Tories finally appoint a popular leader). After all, Starmer didn't "win" the last GE - he only polled the same votes as Corbyn 5 years earlier. Labour won because Sunak was unpopular so Tory voters changed to Libdems and Reform.

Labour have already lost the next GE due to Rachel's incompetence - their entire financial plans are based on economic growth and she screwed that up.

Oh, so if you can see why they will win in more than three years time, you obviously understand their values, doesn't that make you someone who will likely vote for them. Also, what's wrong with them, you are not a fan so why won't you be voting for them, why are you worried about being seen as Reform voter?

It’s scary isn’t it?

Complete denial, blaming the electorate and blind faith in the Party.

Polishing the silver platter for Reform.

Didn't Lib Dems do pretty well at council elections- they were up 146 seats?

Three threads are funny as they are always populated by people who are adamant they aren't Reform voters arguing in favour of Reform. Not exactly convincing anyone. I think it is because if they owned up to it,they'd actually have to explain their shit policies to us!

You are doing a good job of that, for someone who is not a fan of Reform. Again, why wouldn't you vote for them?

Reform voters don't think of reform as a far right or even right wing party. They see them as the party who listens to the working poor and who address the issue that are important to them.
Issues like paying too much tax, grooming gangs, removal of the wfa, uncontrolled immigration, local petty crime.
You must know this.
It's not the rich or the pampered who vote reform. They are the Labour voters. Labour being a luxury belief.

No, you are doing that. I’m
just pointing it out.

As for why I won’t vote for them? Because I don’t want to.

But they aren't very reliable are they, three councillors have gone already plus they don't have a very good vetting system for their candidates.

But why aren't you a fan? There must be a reason/reasons?

Because I don’t like them.

It’s a free vote, right? That’s all the reason I need, whether you like it or not.

Absolutely. Russia and Belarus are the only countries to have left the ECHR. Are we now saying their human rights records are what we want to emulate? People think things like the ECHR and the equality act only apply to the standard hate groups such as foreigners, benefit claimants and trans people. These people don't get that once you start removing human rights for some it is only a matter of time before "they" come for you, to echo the famous poem. Any party which seriously suggests removing human rights protections should be kicked to the kerb as the dangerous lunatics they are.