Worried about Reform Electoral Victory

[RolandH]

Hello everyone,

I'm worried about a possible Reform electoral victory. I do disagree with alot of their policies, but the main thing which concerns me is, if they get in, I have doubts about whether they will preserve the integrity of our electoral system.

Looking at far right governments around the world just now, many of them seem to be happy to attempt to undermine the electoral process. Trump tried to after he lost to Biden, and I doubt that the next election in the US will be free and fair, as the republicans will be trying to replace the electoral officials with their people. In Hungary, the free press has been repressed. Things can obviously get worse than this.

I would like to hear if other people are worried about this, for people who are thinking about voting Reform or have done have thought about it, and also how people who are committed Reform voters would respond to this. Will you be ready to fight against this party if it looks like they are taking the country in an anti-democratic direction?

Just to add:

https://taxsummaries.pwc.com/germany/individual/other-taxes#:~:text=Health%20insurance%3A%2014.6%25%2C%20up,ceiling%20of%20EUR%2058%2C050%20annually.

Health insurance: 14.6%, up to an income ceiling of EUR 58,050 annually. A contribution of 7.3% each is borne by both the employer and the employee.

That means the maximum monthly contribution for an employee would be €353 / £298.

How is it now equitable?

People in the UK pay tax on income and the Germans pay for health insurance as a percentage of income.

Please explain what your buzz words actually mean.

NHS

• Universal access regardless of income, employment status, or insurance.
• No direct charges for most services (e.g., GP visits, hospital care).
• Designed to reduce health inequalities.

Germany:

• While SHI provides broad access, private insurance can lead to preferential treatment (e.g., shorter wait times, access to private hospitals).
• Some services may require co-payments, which can be a barrier for lower-income individuals.

If you require more detail please feel free to ask AI it's full of useful information like above that illustrates my point.

I'll be delighted if Reform win the next GE. I want us to leave the ECHR and deal effectively with all these male economic migrants who keep coming here in boats. We should have stuck with the Rwanda scheme. And at least stop putting them up in hotels but use tents as an interim before deportation .
I suspect all of the liberal lefties on here are unaffected by the migrants hanging around outside the hotels

You won't be delighted if they actually get elected. You will be deeply disappointed.

Be very careful what you wish for.

Sadly you’re mistaken. My sil and her husband are both pensioners, they pay €550 a month between them. They have to buy even the most basic of drugs from a pharmacy where painkillers cost €10, unsurprisingly she’s about to go home with industrial quantities of ibuprofen and paracetamol.

That would give them a combined pension income of €90,411 based upon 7.3% income based contributions. 🤷‍♀️

I'm not so sure. I always respect bookmakers odds as they actually have a financial interest in their predictions and they have both Reform and Labour at 13/8 for most seats next election. A Reform-Conservative coalition is not that unlikely.

I used to be a strong advocate of German system and quote it every time as a response to multiple failings of NHS. Until recently. DP's family live there but rely on state funded health insurance (low income retired couple).

It's a real disaster. They are unable to get an appointment, always at the bottom of the queue after "wealthy" insurances. One has cancer - to get MRI or PET they need to apply to insurance company and wait many weeks for approval, only then they can book an appointment. Approval is only valid for current quarter, so if appointment is in the next quarter the process starts again.

We really need to fight for our NHS.

Germany spends a higher percentage of its GDP on healthcare compared with the UK. And that is with the insurance based system. It wouldn't save us money.

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Healthcare_expenditure_statistics_-_overview

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/healthcaresystem/bulletins/ukhealthaccounts/2022and2023

I'm not so sure either.

This is chilling: DomCum knows what he's talking about (I hate him)

Dominic Cummings: Nigel Farage 'could be prime minister' | News UK Video News | Sky News

How arrogant Mrs Bennett's poor nerves.
I WILL be delighted Reform win the next GE. I have just joined the party.

But you said it was free for pensioners. It isn’t. And here they would be paying nothing on a similar income.

You might be delighted on election night. I doubt you’d be quite so happy six months in.

Blossontoes,, you clearly know a lot about me, or think that you do.
Please tell me why I won't be delighted 6 months after Reform won the GE

Because their economic policies are awry by about £100 million. I don’t need to know anything about you to know that in the highly unlikely event that they won a GE they’d completely fuck the economy to an extent that would make Truss look like a success. Or they’d disappoint you by ditching all their policies because they couldn’t make the sums add up.

Is that not a £100 billion?

Yes, you’re right. Fat fingers!

I'm sure it was initially calculated as 90bn but now it would be far more if they're promising to reinstate benefits and the heating payment.

Not sure why we’re discussing German healthcare - if Farage got in then he’d have to sell the nhs out to his US paymasters. Frog talking about European healthcare models reminds me very much of his Norway model if we left the EU. Apparently, he didn’t mean it or want it - idk really what he did want, apart from not what we got, as it makes for great rabble rousing.
Reform won’t stop small boats as there’s too many other factors involved there - unless they shoot them on the beaches - which even most of their voters wouldn’t want. Net migration is already going down - stopping it all together along with their economics would be the biggest shock to our infrastructure and economy ever.
We used to call it EDI here, obviously no one noticed it over much or was badly impacted by it, as everyone seems to have forgotten and is on the US DEI bandwagon. The Equality Act protects women, as well as pregnancy, age - all things relevant to the majority on here I would have thought but no, white men can rule again.
I guess though that voters will remain happy, as there’ll be plenty of lies, blame games so we know it’s all wonderful under Reform, and if it’s not then it’s not their fault. Until of course you’re the one bankrupted by the policies, or impacted by poor working conditions.

We’re discussing German healthcare because a pp wants the same model here.

Well I suppose a big question for Reform is the retention of the Equality Act maternity rights and pay, and age discrimination law. I am guessing since they don’t want the ECHR then very little to nothing would survive, and they’d push for at will dismissal for employment, but will have to see.

The only reason that Reform is doing so well is because the other usually respectable Political Parties have failed. and currently there are few reasons that they intend to change.
Labour said that they would not be a high Tax & Spend Government but they are. Conservatives have still not fully accepted their mistakes in Government. LibDems are determined to be Leftish but woke.
Nigel comes along with a very clear message that might be achievable but is probably not achievable, however people are willing to give him a 'go'.

It’s obvious Reform are gaining traction just as Starmer loses credibility. It’s been noticed that Starmer doesn’t appear to like or respect Britain. This will get Farages party in.

It's too late to worry about a Reform victory. The other parties are the reason people are turning towards Reform. But Nigel Farage has come out with some daft ideas. Like encouraging folk to have more children. Services such as health and education can't even cope with the numbers we have now. More people is the last thing we need.