Reform party

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Will Reform win any votes at the local elections?

Lonelycrab
But when you scale up the power gain for reform to deliver a working majority- they have 4 MPs and suddenly they’re going to gain 250+ MPs to reach a majority...

Oh, I don't think they will win as many seats as that - but I'm resigned to some sort of coalition with the Conservatives if we aim to get Labour out - hopefully with Farage as Deputy PM, not PM.

None of that is anything like Bob the Builder.

JCB has jumped from Tory to Reform

I'm not actually expecting Kemi Badenoch to lead at the next election.

Neither am I.

'Fix it' has two meaning though - repair something that's broken (Reform) or arrange something (Saville) - I think it's quite clear which one they mean.

This will haemorrhage the TP imo. Their voter “base” will simply stay at home.

Fwiw I have TP voters in my family, parents and partners parents etc in their 70/80s
They simply won’t vote for Farage/reform, they have always been incredibly conservative both small and big c but will not entertain this- they know a chancer/charlatan when they see one and have, unlike Farage, zero time for trump either.

So thinking a TP/reform coalition will work, don’t think so. You gain one vote over here you lose two over there. You’d have thought the last election would have told the TP that.

And also- in the event of that becoming likely… Lib/Lab coalition. And they’ll likely win because people inherently don’t want racism in this country; they will turn away from those that offer it.

4 years, long time though.

I found that photo on a quick Google search 😁

Oh, you don't think the slogan was a nod to Starmer and his connection to Saville do you? Is that what you are thinking?

Oh wow Clavinova, really

Farage is quite friendly with Andrew Tate

If it was, that makes it worse, not better. Unless you don't understand the way the CPS works in the UK with its taxi rank system, this despite the fact that it has been explained dozens of times to the hard of understanding.

My God, talk about scraping the barrel!

Hopefully? You think Farage would settle for DP....

I didn't take you as a Reform supporter because thats exactly what you are.

I was a bit surprised when Labour said they were going to publish a league table of foreign criminals and their offences.

I'm hoping that the Conservatives will be the bigger party!

I wasn't a DUP supporter either and there are plenty of pragmatic coalitions across Europe - not to mention that Jacinda Ardern had a coalition government with New Zealand First. Saying that, I find Farage an interesting character.

Starmer was Director of Public Prosecutions and Head of the Crown Prosecution Service - nothing to do with the taxi rank system. You must be thinking of the terrorists he defended.

Don’t be ridiculous Clav. There is no connection between Starmer and Savile despite Johnson’s egregious attempts to create one. It’s a real shame parliamentary privilege meant he wasn’t liable to a slander action for that. I’m surprised at you, I thought you were better than that.

As in friends? That seems unlikely.

Nigel Farage has praised the misogynist influencer Andrew Tate for being an “important voice” for the “emasculated” and giving boys “perhaps a bit of confidence at school” in online interviews that appear to be aimed at young men over the past year.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/20/nigel-farage-andrew-tate-important-voice-men-podcast-interview

They certainly look friendly, don’t they?

Quite. Doubt he has any.

Could you give us the evidence you have about Starmer and Savile? I'm very interested to see it.

There is no connection between Starmer and Savile

Well only that Starmer was head of the CPS at the time.

What is the connection between Farage and Savile? I don't really know what pointythings is getting at. Why does she think there's a nod to Savile?

Oh, and I thought it was pretty bad of Starmer to deflect on the gender ruling today with yet another reference to Brianna Ghey's mother and Sunak. Starmer really is a slimy toad.

Well only that Starmer was head of the CPS at the time.

There was an investigation in 2012 and it was found that the survivors were not willing to give evidence.

However, since you are continuing to make a connection perhaps you know something no one else does.

That photograph was taken over six years ago so not really an indication.

I thought I was quite clear - Starmer was head of the CPS at the time - that's the connection.

Opportunities to prosecute Jimmy Savile for sex offences were missed because police and prosecutors did not take allegations seriously, a report says.

Alison Levitt QC found that had police and prosecutors "taken a different approach" prosecutions could have been possible in relation to three victims.

DPP Keir Starmer has apologised.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20992789

I can't believe we have to do this, but I suspect that Clavinova already knows it is nonsense

https://fullfact.org/online/keir-starmer-prosecute-jimmy-savile/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/02/08/fact-check-keir-starmer-responsible-cps-failing-prosecute-jimmy/

No it's not clear. It appears as though you're parroting Johnson who accused Starmer of not prosecuting Savile. There's no evidence this is the case.

In fact Johnson's head of policy resigned over his claims saying, "...it is so desperately sad that you let yourself down by making a scurrilous accusation against the leader of the opposition."

It was Starmer who commissioned the report you're citing.

It was found that had the witnesses known other people were making similar complaints, they might have been prepared to as well. In fact prosecutions could have been possible "had the police and prosecutors taken a different approach".

Levitt concluded "I have seen nothing to suggest that the decisions not to prosecute were consciously influenced by any improper motive on the part of either police or prosecutors."

The CPS said: "There is no reference within the report to any involvement from the DPP in the decision-making in the case. The reviewing lawyer at the time set out their own reasons for the decisions they took, which are reproduced in the report."