Reform party

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Will Reform win any votes at the local elections?

I genuinely don't understand why they're channelling Savile in their campaign slogan. It's such a jaw dropping thing to do.

Maybe younger voters don't have the association though and that's who they're trying to appeal to 🤷‍♀️

We've no returns agreement with Afghanistan, since the arrival of the Taliban.

& you ve been there against FO advice?

Heard it all now.

Is it not more Bob the Builder?

The Reform slogan I saw was 'Reform will fix it' whicb is very dimilar to Saviles 'Jim'll fix it'.

Bob the Builders rallying cry was ''Can we fix it, yes we can'. So no, IMO it's not more Bob the Builder at all.

Yeah - was wondering how long it would take to see that...
But if you point out the influence of US far-right proselytising, evangelising groups already active in the UK (see my other thread), if you point out the influence of the MAGA crowd here, you'll find posters tell you to not be silly and not to insult our ability to be our own independent selves. How naive. This is an imperialist endeavour and Reform is the vanguard (but at least we'll get to enjoy beautiful rallies with beautiful massive Union flags)... Who knew sovereignty was all so relative, eh?

For the MAGA/ MBGA types, isn't cruelty the whole point? Shit on the vulnerable?

There's shitting on the vulnerable and there's seemingly aligning yourself with a prolific paedo and serial sex offender by resurrecting his catchphrase in your party slogan.

I would imagine the vast majority of MAGA/MBGA people do not have a high opinion of paedophiles.

You're right, in fact the whole QAnon conspiracy in the US played on that and inflicted some damage on the Democrats in that respect (by accusing the upper echelons of the party and global elites of a paedophile cover up).
I really don't know what Reform are thinking, unless they've found that their party members don't actually believe that Savile was a monster? Because BBC = fake news? I don't know...

I'd forgotten about the whole QAnon paedo conspiracy stuff which makes it even more of a very odd choice for a party slogan.

I'm sure there are plenty of people who support Reform who think BBC = fake news, but more and more I get the impression you don't have to be a Reform supporter to think badly of the BBC.

Nevertheless, I would have thought it's pretty niche to consider that JS was innocent what with all the huge amounts of evidence.

Maybe Farage chose the slogan because he doesn't actually want Reform to be a success and he's going to follow it up with 'Heil Nigel' for good measure 😂

Apparently Nigel Farage wants the UK to be "self-sufficient in gas".

Nigel, I have good news and bad news.

The bad news is that the UK's North Sea gas output is going to fall by 95%, even if the govt U-turns and issues new licenses.

The good news is UK can cut its gas imports by two-thirds.

How

Net-zero.

Sorry Nige.

Clean power 2030 will make the UK "much less reliant on energy imports".

And net-zero by 2050 will cut gas imports by two-thirds.

https://www.carbonbrief.org/factcheck-why-conservative-leader-kemi-badenoch-is-wrong-about-uks-net-zero-goal/

(Dr Simon Evans on bsky)

There's trouble with the Tories. Jenrick apparently said:

I want the right to be united. And so, one way or another, I’m determined to do that and to bring this coalition together and make sure we unite as a nation as well.

He wants a Reform/Tory coalition and Badenoch doesn't. Though she did say something about working with Reform in the local elections.

Many believe Jenrick will be the next Tory leader and that a coalition will be inevitable.

Latest YouGov poll sees Lib Dems closing in on the Tories.

I might sound like a broken record but if Labour were strategically savvy they would do two things:

1. smell the coffee
2. cosy up to the LibDems to forge their own coalition

For point 2 to happen they should also ditch the Brexit-at-all-cost-let's-do-a-deal-with-the-US-before-the-right-does.

Maybe Reform will do it and Lib Dems in opposition. Give the two major parties time out to reconsider.

The problem with that is that a Reform government would do so much damage that it would take decades to fix.

We haven’t really seen a situation like this for a while. Just a massive change from a new party polling high in a short time.

It could change, but it would be a big switch from
our two major party system has been the same for years. Although there was the last coalition.

PR instead of FPTP would shake up the 2 party system.

Reform would be bad for the country, they have a wishlist but no idea how to fund it.

Farage has 10 jobs and spends hardly any time in his constituency, same as when he was an MEP.

I agree that we should have PR - even though it would give us a Reform presence in government. I believe in democracy, and PR is fundamentally more democratic than FPTP.

Also far right parties tend not to function well in coalitions because they show themselves for what they are. It's only when they get a full majority, like in Hungary, that they get away with doing what they want - and it isn't a pretty picture.

Reform would gain presence but would they actually be present?

PR only aids a smaller party up to a point. Eg Reform would have had more MPs at the last GE but they tip to not needing that when polling goes above a certain level.

Parties tend to stick to FPTP if they are better off, ie Labour are happy rn not to have it. It takes a referendum maybe involving a coalition party asking gif it.

Eg Lib Dems last time although I’m not sure they’d use their ask on the same after it didn’t win.

Jenrick is a corrupt opportunist.. he would literally say and do anything to gain power.
Many in the Tory party despise Farage, an official coalition/joining, rather than an electoral pact, will split the party apart.

He may well become Con leader but he wont be in charge by the time of the next GE, the Tories still need a more moderate leader, its where electoral success lies.

Though 4years is a very long time in life, let alone politics, so who knows what may happen?

Jenrick wants to take the UK out of the ECHR and he enjoys painting over murals in children asylum centres, perfect match.

Ladbrokes has 20-1 on Liz Truss becoming the next Reform leader.

I'd be over the moon.

The Tories won't need a "moderate" leader if Starmer, Reeves and Raynor continue to foul things up. The Tories will win simply due to the unpopularity of Labour. Just like Starmer won last year due to the unpopularity of Sunak's Tories.