Reform party

[TalkToTheHand123]

Will Reform win any votes at the local elections?

I read widely and am also on social media. I don't see the left mocking the Reform quite so blatantly. If we look at the States, I don't remember the mocking being two way.

You don't need to engage with anyone, nor does anyone else. I didn't say you did, I suggested that you put your money where your mouth is.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/apr/22/extinction-level-event-tories-fear-voters-turning-reform-lincolnshire

interesting article from the Graun

The last Electoral Calculus had Cons holding on in Lincs as largest party. Currently 53 / 70 seats Con, 6 independents, 4 Labour, 3 Lib Dem, 3 Reform, 1 vacant. It looks like the 3 Reform cllrs were all elected standing for other parties and have defected. Mayoral election also for Greater Lincolnshire, seemingly a three way fight - Con Lab & Reform, though six candidates in total.

Lincs does have a Reform MP for Boston and Skeg already. Though it looks like all the Council wards covered by the constituency are currently Cons and one independent.

But I'm not just talking about the states. If you look at my original post (the point of which was not to write off Reform so quickly because I think that's naive),I referred back to the 1980s Uk as well as Italy, the modern day uk and the US.

I genuinely don't understand why you're getting your knickers in a twist about my posts and being so weird because it sounds like neither of us hold Reform in high regard.

I'm not getting my knickers in a twist. I'm not just talking about the States. I was responding to your assertion that it's predominantly the left mocking the right. I disagreed with you and gave you the reason why I disagreed.

How am I being 'weird'? You said that people shouldn't dismiss Reform and should engage with them. I suggested that you do exactly that and you refused.

Oh FFS drop the faux pearl clutching. It's just a figure of speech.

Not forgetting these complaints in 2014 and 2017:

Feb 2014
Children with cancer being denied life-saving drugs, scientists say.
"We believe the EU regulatory system is badly out of date and has not kept up with modern conceptions in cancer research,"^
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/feb/10/children-cancer-denied-life-saving-drugs-eu-regulations

March 2017
Children and young people are being denied the latest cancer treatments by outdated European regulations.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/mar/14/close-cancer-loophole-now-to-save-childrens-lives

But 11 and 8 years on respectively, the cost of accessing cancer drugs has quadrupled! We have more red tape, not less, to contend with.

Professor Brooks has written his report as though we left the Dublin Regulation on 31 January 2020 (”UK’s failure to retain or create a new returns agreement with the EU after 31 January 2020”) – however we did not exit the Dublin Agreement until the end of 2020 (31 December 2020). Indeed, the Home Office submitted more returns requests under the Dublin Agreement in 2020 (over 8,000 requests - but resulting in only 100 returns) than it did in 2019 (Professor Brooks only gives figures for 2019).

He links regulatory changes in 2020 to the rise of small boat arrivals in 2020 (8,466) - however the regulatory changes he refers to did not occur until January 2021. He also notes that the ”biggest dip in non-small boat irregular migration happens in 2020” - particularly by air - but he hasn’t considered that Covid restrictions are the probable cause of the dip. The Brexit transition year and Covid seem to have passed him by – or perhaps he is trying to bend the facts to his conclusion.

In addition, Professor Brooks claimed in June 2016 that, 'if anyone sets foot first in Greece or Italy [where the majority of asylum seekers were arriving] and makes a claim for asylum in Britain later they can be returned to that country'

His reference to Greece in particular was substantially incorrect at the time, as the UK had not sent any Dublin returns to Greece after 2010 – following an ECJ ruling in 2011 which the UK and Irish governments lost - and after the EU had suspended all Dublin returns to Greece. There was a partial resumption by some member states in 2017 - but not by the UK, since conditions in the refugee camps in Greece had not materially improved and the Home Office was still open to legal challenge on any returns.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16285573

Do you have an explanation why the boat crossings increased in 2018 @Clavinova ?

I doubt it (or not solely the result of Brexit) - perhaps in extreme examples of one or two trials.

Well exactly.

And besides, Farage is so in awe of the American way of doing things, and wishes to bring that to the U.K.

Many of us will simply be unable to afford this, and the NHS will simply become carved up into different profit making enterprises.

Any reasonable person will understand the implications with how that’s going to make healthcare far far more expensive, probably impossible for many or most of us.

Just like the US, and that’s what reform want despite all the mealy mouthed, poorly conceived ideas Farage claims.

Stop the discussion on immigration and let's start a conversation with reform about workers rights and the NHS. Let's hear the truth about there plans because I will bet hardly any of them will like what reform stand for.

The boat crossings are just noise to get votes but once they are in expect a ruthless regime for working classes especially those on crap money.

Why the conservatives and Labour get sucked into the Farage rabbit hole is beyond me....I'd be asking him what are his plans for workers rights....let's hear it Farage. Let's hear the truth. Let's hear about your Insurance based health care system.... according to Farage it will be no more than a Netflix subscription.... please tell us who is underwriting that insurance because you won't find a single insurance company out there that will offer the same cover as the NHS for ten pounds a month.

The guy is a liar and he needs calling out for it... anyone on here who votes for Farage you are an absolute idiot because the guy is a liar and you are falling for it.

Several suggestions:

September 2016
Construction of a UK-funded wall near Calais' so-called Jungle migrant camp will begin soon, the Home Office says.
Dubbed the "Great Wall of Calais", external by some media, the 4m (13ft) wall will run for 1km (0.6 miles) along both sides of the main road to Calais port.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37294187

Increasing fines for lorry drivers caught carrying migrants (even unwittingly) -

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/record-fines-for-lorry-drivers-carrying-calais-migrants-pmjnxzwcw

@dubsie

The guy is a liar and he needs calling out for it... anyone on here who votes for Farage you are an absolute idiot because the guy is a liar and you are falling for it.

We're not allowed to call him out because it will make voters want to vote for him more. We're supposed to talk endlessly about "small boats" while Rome burns.

No Reform policies have been mantioned on this thread, it's all about the 'small boats'

Do you not mean no other policies?, as the small boats is a Reform policy on immigration.

They would scrap net zero and re-nationalise a few bits and bobs, so some more top notch policies to make Britain great again.

I'd say anger should be more towards Labour and Conservstive incompetence rather than to be directed and Reform.

They are using the 'Reform will fix it' slogan, very jimmy saville, if you choose to believe them.

Any details about those top notch policies and how they will be funded?

make Britain great again

They can get MBGA caps printed in China......

As I said previously:

Joker is this one.

re-nationalise a few bits and bobs

Which bits and bobs would they be?

Steel, gas and electric, maybe a bit of coal for the craic.

Fracking too Shirley!!!!! Do keep up

Funded by money saved on the boats.

Sod this for a game of soldiers