Reform party

[TalkToTheHand123]

Will Reform win any votes at the local elections?

My second sentence states I do not think they can currently apply outside the UK. I agree they should be allowed and able to apply outside the UK, but the boats will still come as most won't apply as they won't be genuine or accepted.

Just have to hope they can be processed as quickly as possible and be sent to places they wouldn't risk going on a boat for.

Red carpet as in a nice hotel, free meals and free money. They should be put in refugee camps.

That Henry Jackson society is described as right wing and anti muslim

You’ve been frosty with me since we first started interacting on this thread. I have no interest in greatly discussing views with you because you are misrepresenting everything I’ve said.

I actually said the amount of money asylum seekers and benefits claimants get is too low! I said that in this very thread! That’s how silly you’re being right now.

I also said multiculturalism was healthy! In this thread! So I definitely never said I don’t want any Muslims in this country!

You’ve been at my neck in this thread over my opinions and your assumptions. You’ve not asked me about any potential solutions or what my expanded upon opinions are. I’m not replying to you anymore, I’ve tried to speak with you genuinely but you’re being unfair and you’re actually lying and misrepresenting things I’ve said.

Why do you want to treat people seeking asylum so inhumanely?

Just have to hope they can be processed as quickly as possible and be sent to places they wouldn't risk going on a boat for.

What does this mean? That you want people to be sent to dangerous places?

Nice hotels, free meals and free money

They are not allowed to work so how would they pay for meals?

I'm quoting you in response to you. However if you don't respond, (except to act defensively), it's no loss. I hope the Lib Dems do well in the local elections. Fingers crossed.

I was not aware of this, I picked the first pdf which led to an actual study rather than a secondary source. I also don’t by the way believe sharia law is something that’s rife in this country, it has just come up in this discussion as I was say more broadly that I don’t agree with it

Extremely nerdy point of order: Russia did indeed leave the ECHR, an hour before it was going to be kicked out by the ECHR's parent organisation, the Council of Europe. Belarus was never a member. 🙏

They wouldn't. They are free. They may likely work cash in hand though.

You still haven't provided any evidence of asylum seekers working cash in hand

Or stated where you would build these refugee camps

No you haven’t just quoted me, you’ve claimed I’ve said things which I haven’t.

You claimed blatant lies that I said asylum seekers get too much money and that I don’t want Muslims in the Uk, both of which I had previously in this thread actively agreed with the opposite.

Yeah people tend to get defensive when you accuse them of bad things which are blatant lies! Shocker! It’s not even what you’ve said that’s most annoying, it’s your attitude that comes along with it and I’m normally someone that tries to be always civil when discussing things but I’m struggling to do that with you so I don’t want to speak with you any further. Enjoy the rest of your night!

Not mine!!!!! but i’ve heard others might….

It is regularly in the papers, very rife and there is no need to. It's just common sense and logical. Even if they didn't, my point was they could.

I'd build them on a disused field.

@Bummblebeee

Someone mentioned asylum seekers get approx £50 a week to live on, Uk residents get approx £70 a week.

I’m not saying it’s the biggest problem the UK has but let’s not pretend we’ve got ”a few 10s of 100s” asylum seekers and Uk residents get much more money. These things just aren’t true.

Where exactly are you saying that asylum seekers should get more money?

You appear to be saying that UK residents get £70 a week and asylum seekers get £50 which is too much. Later you multiply that money to demonstrate how much money is spent on asylum seekers.

Don't call people liars when it's all there in black and white.

I quoted you saying that you don't want to live in a country where Islam is the majority religion. The number of Muslims in the UK is 6%, yet you insist that high numbers are coming here and Christians are going to be in the minority.

This is all far right/Reform bullshit yet you claim to support Lib Dems.

Which papers? Come on if they are writing about it on a regular basis you should be able to provide some links.

So a tent camp in a disused field, anywhere near where you live?

@TalkToTheHand123

It is regularly in the papers, very rife and there is no need.

If it's true, there will be evidence to back it up.

Actually we may be on to something.

@TalkToTheHand123-agrees that there should be external legal routes to apply for asylum.

So the UK sets up units in say, a half a dozen EU countries?, units that can process UK asylum applications and therefore no money goes to gangs that sell places on boats.

We’d have to contribute to EU costs whilst we processed and, in some cases, returned, failed applicants. But we’d save lives at sea.

A coherent EU wide policy that we would be a member of.
Why wouldn’t that be a workable alternative?

Safe routes? Excellent idea!

I've never said I was against people applying outside the UK.

To answer again, I don't need to prove some work cash in hand. I don't really care. It's not important or was my point, but it's like being asked to prove teachers know to read and write.

@Maitri108

“I agree that benefits and the money given to asylum seekers equates to poor living standards.”

Right here I’ve said that people who get benefits and asylum seekers don’t get enough money. I’ve said it equates to poor living standards, obviously meaning to most people that I don’t agree with the amount as most people would rightfully understand that I don’t want anyone living in poor living standards otherwise I wouldn’t have said it because I wouldn’t care.

I also never multiplied the number and talked about money, I have no clue what you’re talking about! I think you’re merging mine and another persons comments.

I’m allowed to dislike a religion without being far right! If I had said I dislike Christianity you wouldn’t be calling me far right would you? Don’t push your stereotypes onto me.

I’ve said already that I don’t align with every single Lib Dem policy including their immigration pov and I’m allowed to like and dislike different policies from as many parties as I like. And it’s on you if you think that because I don’t agree with Lib Dem policy on immigration that I’m not really a Lib Dem voter but an really far right then that’s on you for being small minded and silly. Do you understand that there are many other political issues outside of immigration? And actually in theory I do like their opinion of sort of open door immigration but in practice I don’t agree with it.

You are being intentionally provocative by accusing me of things. You are after a reaction from me and you’re not going to get one. One more comment with blatant lies and nonsense and I’ll be blocking you.

I personally think that Reform will get a large number of votes based on:

Labour- voters are disillusioned that the "change" they hoped for when they voted Labour hasn't materialised . This is not actually Labour's fault but a fast lesson after being elected that they can't increase Government debt (as Liz Truss found out the hard way) and that they can't increase taxation more without slowing the economy further (which Rachel Reeves found out after her budget).
Conservatives- reputation still tarnished after their years in power and they haven't explained what they would do differently if they were in power again anyway.
LibDems - other than not being Labour or Conservative I am really struggling to see what their policies are if indeed there are any.

So people will vote Reform hoping for change but sadly they will be disappointed again because other than making great (but meaningless) sound bites like "Britain is broken, Britain needs Reform" there is no substance or no realistic costing.

If they could explain exactly how they are going to achieve this then I might have more sympathy for them.

@Bummblebeee Please block me.🙏

Then why such hatred for people to whom these routes are not available which is why they have to resort to crossing the Channel in a small boat?

I was referring to x channel migrants, as thats where the conversation has gone,
the 108k you refer to is the total number, inc people who claim via official routes.

Approx 36k crossed the channel in boats in 2024, thats a "few 10s of 1000s"

An estimated 1m migrants came here through legal visas in 2023/24, so even going on your figures, its 10% of the total, many of whom are children and other family dependents inc parents.

UC alone for a person over 25 is £100 per week, just under £60 pw if you re under 25 but if they have rent to pay, they'll get help towards that, around £400 per month, so a UK citizen can get £700 to £800 per month or £180 to £200 pw.

Yet bond yields have fallen back and growth is up quite a bit......unemployment rates have stayed stable, inflation down...oh and business confidence has increased too...

Which kind of blows a hole in your right wing rhetoric that Reeves has wrecked the UKs economy...

We were last in recession in Q4 2023, just 6 months before the general election...under the Tories....