Reform party

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Will Reform win any votes at the local elections?

Oh you are funny

I do think there also needs to be conversation around social integration for 1st gen.

I feel like in general we would all be able to have more productive conversations if we could get over the divisiveness politics brings nowadays.

@Bummblebeee I spent considerable time in Egypt and had no trouble living there as a Western woman. The problem isn't Islam, it's extremism - in all religions. You have only to look at the US to look at the way extreme Christianity is being used to shape legislation and oppress women and the gay community (and all that with a side dose of delicious fascism and the removal of freedoms). Frankly, Reform should worry people because its leader is hand in glove with US fascism.

No, you don't come across as a Lib Dem supporter. For example, you brought Islam into the discussion when it hadn't been mentioned.

"I would also say some people are uncomfortable with the culture that comes with Islam that is growing incredibly fast and dominating areas. I think those are valid concerns, especially when it comes to women or LGBT for example. I’m Christian for example and I have been so loud about religion and law needing to be very clearly separate (even though this was/ is maybe a Christian country) because I have concerns about if Islam was the predominant religion that we would have influences on our laws. Sharia law for example, I do not like it but if you look at the stats an alarming amount of Muslims in the UK think we should have it formalised within our system. I’m just saying that those are things we should consider. Especially due to mass immigration and birth rate stats across different cultures."

These don't come across as Lib Dem views, they come across as skirting around the Great Replacement theory which is far right.

That Muslims are flooding the country and due to high birth rates, will replace Christianity and become the dominant religion.

There are approximately 70m people in the UK and 4 million Muslims so it seems like your fears are unfounded. You can vote Lib Dem with a light heart.

I do think Labour could regain some of those newer Reform voters if we see concrete evidence of their policies working. To me, they have to get better at communicating their progress. Their lack of experience when they first came to power showed with cancelling Rwanda on day one with grand promises of 'Smashing the gangs' and stopping the use of hotels to house asylum seekers.To date, there is still no effective deterrent, the boats keep coming, hotels are still being used. I think the small boats issue is going to be a tough nut to crack and no amount of trying to stop the supply of inflatable boats, outboard engines, paying the French vast sums etc is going to stop that. There needs to be an active deterrent.
The amount of illegal immigration is drawfed by the amount coming legally and on that Labour have made progress. The numbers coming have reduced under Labour but that has also had consequences for universities and care settings. It's a difficult balance for Labour but I think they've got to get better at communicating their progress, some of their cabinet ministers aren't getting their messages across well. Some of their ministers just aren't likeable or relatable.

I will be voting for Reform and I'll be delighted if we leave the ECHR. Well then be able to deport people who have to stay because their kids like chicken nuggets .

It has become much more divisive since 2015 and the lead up to the Brexit vote.

It’s so funny that you might think you’re really progressive but actually saying because I have a view on Islam and immigration then you can put me in a box and label me with something. I can’t be a complex person who has varying opinions on different topics without picking a political party and aligning myself to their every value.

Islam was mentioned by me because I specifically said people have concerns outside of financial ones when it comes to immigration.

I think atheism will be prevalent in this country before Islam is but no I wouldn’t like to live in a country where it is the predominant religion. No I don’t support large scale immigration of a religion and culture that I don’t want to live in? I of course thought think we should still have immigration and the rest but I think I would be conscious about it.

If, in my opinion, not enough was being done about immigration (not just in terms of stopping it but around managing it healthily) then yes I would vote for someone who I would think is going to manage it and that would not be Lib Dem.

Agree - the Labour rhetoric is awful at the moment and I’m not sure who it’s supposed to appeal to?

I’m very much left of centre and I find the Facebook ads horrible. Anything posted gets 100s of manically laughing smiley emojis from presumably Reform voters.

It’s really important and absolutely crucial they get a handle on their social media output. The current team isn’t great.

So how can they arrive in the. Uk to seek asylum? Suella Braverman couldn’t answer that question but maybe you can.

And what is this red carpet treatment?

It's the worst time to be seeking a US trade deal. Starmer should focus on standing up to Trump.

If, in my opinion, not enough was being done about immigration (not just in terms of stopping it but around managing it healthily) then yes I would vote for someone who I would think is going to manage it and that would not be Lib Dem.

Which would be Reform. Took a while to get there didn't it @Bummblebeee but you were pretty obvious from the start.

Islam was mentioned by you because you're concerned that there are too many coming into the country and Islam will be the dominant religion.

No I don’t support large scale immigration of a religion and culture that I don’t want to live in.

Isn't that Reform's core message? Isn't that what the riots were about?

Richard Tice's partner doesn’t mind livimg under Sharia law

Deport to where

And how

I agree that extremism in all religions is a problem. As a Christian I don’t agree with everything’s that’s happening. I think religion should be completely separate from law. No one should be forced to live by religiously based laws and being born in a country shouldn’t mean you have to live by religious rules.

I get you have lived experience but I would personally still be hesitant to live in a country where the predominant religion butts heads with my own. And of course different parts of the world are all so different, Christian’s are being murdered in some places still just for being Christian.

Outside of immigration issues I don’t think they’d have a following. Though I don’t dislike my local reform representatives.

Well I think the chicken nugget thing was an Albanian

You are not bothered losing your own human rights?

Russia and Belarus have left the ECHR, great examples to follow

A good metric Is, imo,

The greater the number of crying eyes emojis a user posts, you can guarantee the less intelligent or worth listening to they are.

Oh yes they think it's sarcastic and the pinnacle of free thinking...

I mean you quite clearly think you’ve just had a massive gotcha moment but it wouldn’t necessarily be reform.

I would have to take into account immigration issues and balance it with other issues which I think are important.

Actually Islam was first mentioned by my when I was saying that people have concerns outside of just financial when it comes to immigration.

So I can’t say I don’t want mass immigration of a culture and religion that I don’t want to live in without being pencilled in as a reform supporter. If you step back from the screen I think you’ll find that’s quite a common point of view. In fact it’s part of the reason why Reform is gaining so much traction. People wanting proper management of immigration is the reason why every political party is talking about it. Didn’t Starmer just recently say that he hears that people are concerned?

Like I’ve said to you before, I don’t believe it’s healthy to pick a party and align yourself to its every view. If In a few years time I was looking at each parties policies and weighing them up with what I think matters, and reform seemed like what I most aligned with then that’s what I would vote for and it won’t be a scooby doo ripping the mask off moment because I would say it outright.

Christian’s are being murdered in some places still just for being Christian.

And in China and Myanmar, Muslims are being murdered for being Muslim, ditto in India.

The demonising of Islam is pathetic and ridiculous. Its extremist manifestations are no worse than those of other faiths. And I know too many Muslims to fall for the idea that they are all out to bring us under Sharia law.

@Bummblebeee I'm not particularly interested in your views because you haven't given any apart from saying that asylum seekers, who get £50 a week, get too much money and you don't want Muslims in the country.

You haven't given any potential solutions to the 'small boats' issue that people seem so preoccupied with, you've just had a bit of a rant about Muslims taking over and then acted like you're the Sphinx.

Unfortunately we’re on our own - a tiny little country rife with division. I guess the masters of Brexit were successful in creating that, just as they have with installing Trump.

I think they are going to win lots of seats.

I never claimed that Muslims weren’t being persecuted in some places in the world. You’ve snatched a comment out of context. I was literally saying that every place in the world is so different and that as a Christian I wouldn’t want to live in predominantly Islamic country.

It’s not demonising to have a point of view on a religion. I’m allowed to have criticisms of Islam, just the same as anyone is allowed to criticise Christianity. I’m not referencing its extremist extensions only or just sharia law. I have issues with aspects of the religion and its prophet. If anyone came to me and said “Hey; I’ve got a real problem with how Christianity tackles women’s rights and how it mentions slavery.” I would be open to a conversation about it, I wouldn’t be saying “No you’re demonising my religion and it’s pathetic and ridiculous”.

Yes I agree they don’t all want to “bring us out under sharia law” but a recent study claimed 1/3 British Muslims would like to have implementation of Sharia law in the Uk.
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