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Is anyone watching this Trump car crash?

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soundsys · 02/04/2025 21:36

WTF is happening? It’s like some bizarre performance art piece.

He’s holding up signs and shouting and throwing out hats it’s just 🤯

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TulipTiptoer · 08/04/2025 13:29

1dayatatime · 08/04/2025 13:23

OK - because Trump lies and peddles untruths then it's all OK for those opposing his views to do the same?

Personally I think the truth matters.

Yes, the truth matters.

What a shame that Trump lies so frequently that Fact Checkers are on overtime keeping up with his multitude of lies.

https://www.factcheck.org/person/donald-trump/

Donald Trump Archives - FactCheck.org

https://www.factcheck.org/person/donald-trump/

lawpluslaw · 08/04/2025 13:35

1dayatatime · 08/04/2025 13:23

OK - because Trump lies and peddles untruths then it's all OK for those opposing his views to do the same?

Personally I think the truth matters.

This could literally go in the dictionary as the definition of disingenuous.

If you thought truth mattered, you would not be supporting economic policies predicated on half-truths, outright lies, and manipulation.

Igotjelly · 08/04/2025 13:35

There is a difference between misinformation and disinformation. I’ll confess that the news outlet I quoted seem to have misunderstood and Trump hasn’t ditched stock, what he’s done is enable that to happen. What Trump and his clan do is disinformation, they purposefully lie to increase polarisation and to spread fear and hatred to advance their political agenda.

Of course it wouldn’t be unheard of for the Trumps to dabble in insider trading https://www.forbes.com/sites/zacheverson/2025/03/08/donald-trump-jr-eric-stock-dominari-holdings/ or maybe that’s another conspiracy?

Insiders Loaded Up On Firm’s Stock—Right Before Don Jr. And Eric Trump’s Involvement Sent Shares Soaring

Experts say the trades likely don’t violate insider trading laws, but the timing raises concerns if the directors acted in the company’s best interests.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zacheverson/2025/03/08/donald-trump-jr-eric-stock-dominari-holdings/

hamstersarse · 08/04/2025 13:48

Igotjelly · 08/04/2025 11:17

What on earth are you on about? Measles is indeed running rampant and killing children https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg2xyyj9w5o.amp

Medicaid and Medicare are indeed likely to be cut, considering the budget allowing it to be was passed by Congress. Given it pays for health coverage for millions of Americans I’m not sure how cuts to it MAHA. Could you enlighten me?

Did you even read the article you’ve posted?

TopPocketFind · 08/04/2025 13:52

hamstersarse · 08/04/2025 13:48

Did you even read the article you’ve posted?

What is it that you think she hasn't read?

hamstersarse · 08/04/2025 13:52

TulipTiptoer · 08/04/2025 10:42

Is MAHA make America Healthy again? Hahaha, that's a laugh given you've got a vaxx denier and conspiracy theorist as Health Secretary. Let me know how the measles outbreaks are going. I feel for the american people with such a buffoon in charge of the nation's health.

Do you honestly think the people of America will take low wages in order to sit at an assembly line and screw in teeny tiny screws into iPhones! Or sit at a sewing machine for 12 hours a day. So instead americans are paid a going wage and that means iPhones cost twice as much... right...
The manufacturing boom is not happening, Trump harks back 70 years, he hasn't a clue.

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Have you ever watched or listened to any of the long form interviews from RFK Jnr? I suspect you’ve only read headlines from media outlets designed to rile you up.
In what way is he anti-vaccine?
Is the “measles outbreak” unusual?
Do you think the American population is healthy? If not, why is that? what’s happened?

As for your iPhone factory comment, I’ll take it that you are happy for Americans to continue to have insecure jobs and for slaves in China to continue this work so your iPhone is cheap

1dayatatime · 08/04/2025 13:53

lawpluslaw · 08/04/2025 13:35

This could literally go in the dictionary as the definition of disingenuous.

If you thought truth mattered, you would not be supporting economic policies predicated on half-truths, outright lies, and manipulation.

OK so the US had an overall trade deficit of $1.2 trillion in 2024 - this is not a half truth or an opinion it's a fact.

Running a trade deficit of that size financed by continually issuing further US Government debt has both economic and political consequences and is not sustainable. At some point foreign governments and financial institutions will be unwilling to finance further debt or seek higher interest rates.

I have yet to see any alternative economic policies (putting aside tariffs and that Trump is not a nice person) that would address this trade deficit policy.

Yes tariffs are a blunt tool and yes they harm other countries economies but no one is offering anything alternative to fix the deficit.

Igotjelly · 08/04/2025 13:56

hamstersarse · 08/04/2025 13:48

Did you even read the article you’ve posted?

Yes, did you?

RFK is well known in anti-vax circles and has frequently peddled vaccine conspiracy theories. He is at the very least deeply vaccine sceptical https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0mzk2y41zvo.amp

No the measles outbreak is not normal, it’s significantly higher than it has been in previous years and the deaths (amongst unvaccinated children) are the first in a decade.

Graphic of Robert F Kennedy Jr alongside Donald Trump

RFK Jr: Fact-checking his views on health policy - BBC News

Robert F Kennedy Jr has been nominated to be the next US health secretary, but some of his views are not backed by science.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0mzk2y41zvo.amp

TopPocketFind · 08/04/2025 13:57

Is the measles outbreak unusual?

Yes

In 1992, Texas had an outbreak that grew to 990 cases. That was the last outbreak larger than this, although in 2013, there was an outbreak with 27 cases and in 2019, an outbreak with 23 cases.

1dayatatime · 08/04/2025 14:02

Igotjelly · 08/04/2025 13:35

There is a difference between misinformation and disinformation. I’ll confess that the news outlet I quoted seem to have misunderstood and Trump hasn’t ditched stock, what he’s done is enable that to happen. What Trump and his clan do is disinformation, they purposefully lie to increase polarisation and to spread fear and hatred to advance their political agenda.

Of course it wouldn’t be unheard of for the Trumps to dabble in insider trading https://www.forbes.com/sites/zacheverson/2025/03/08/donald-trump-jr-eric-stock-dominari-holdings/ or maybe that’s another conspiracy?

Yep - another conspiracy theory- as the article confirms there was no insider trading.

"It seems likely that Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump received shares in conjunction with their roles on the advisory board".

So the two Trump brothers look like they received shares as part of their package to join the advisory board. Because their father is Donald Trump the value of these shares increased after the announcement that they had joined the advisory board.

Its a separate question if this was a breach of fiduciary duty of the existing board members and for other existing shareholders to take action if they believe that was the case.

Any other conspiracy theories you would like my help on correcting?

TopPocketFind · 08/04/2025 14:04

Far left conspiracy or some other kind of conspiracy?

1dayatatime · 08/04/2025 14:19

TopPocketFind · 08/04/2025 14:04

Far left conspiracy or some other kind of conspiracy?

Well it depends on the intent of conspiracy theory. In this case because the intention is to falsely claim that the two Trump brothers committed the crime of insider trading in order to damage their reputations then yes it's a far left conspiracy theory.

Whereas if I made that false accusation because I'm an existing shareholder and pissed off that they got a preferential share price then it would be a simple conspiracy theory.

Let me know if you want any clarifications on other conspiracy theories and I'll be happy to help.

TulipTiptoer · 08/04/2025 14:48

hamstersarse · 08/04/2025 13:52

Have you ever watched or listened to any of the long form interviews from RFK Jnr? I suspect you’ve only read headlines from media outlets designed to rile you up.
In what way is he anti-vaccine?
Is the “measles outbreak” unusual?
Do you think the American population is healthy? If not, why is that? what’s happened?

As for your iPhone factory comment, I’ll take it that you are happy for Americans to continue to have insecure jobs and for slaves in China to continue this work so your iPhone is cheap

Oh don't be ridiculous. If you think RFK is a suitable Health Secretary, there is absolutely NO point in discussing ANYTHING with you. I can't believe you think he is the right man for the job. Of course he is anti vax! Only today he has said that 300 anti vax physicians cured 300 measle stricken children!

WHO reported that measles cases increased globally from 8·6 million in 2022 to 10·3 million in 2023.Tragically, most of these infections occurred in low-income, conflict-ridden regions, where vulnerable populations are already struggling with inadequate access to health care. Even worse, the growing vaccine hesitancy spurred by pandemic-era disruptions has contributed to these rising numbers, making a future under Kennedy's leadership potentially catastrophic.

That article is from the Lancet if you know what that is and with a comment from the World Health Organisation.
But no, I don't read. 😲

Do you know about his vaccine misinformation campaign and Samoa? I presume not. 5,700 people infected. 83 died. And this is on an island with a population of only 200,000. The Ministry of Health said Kennedy's visit and his rhetoric about vaccines was the reason so many died.

I hope my post answers your question "in what way is he anti vaccine?"

Your comment about China isn't worth commenting on.

lawpluslaw · 08/04/2025 14:51

1dayatatime · 08/04/2025 13:53

OK so the US had an overall trade deficit of $1.2 trillion in 2024 - this is not a half truth or an opinion it's a fact.

Running a trade deficit of that size financed by continually issuing further US Government debt has both economic and political consequences and is not sustainable. At some point foreign governments and financial institutions will be unwilling to finance further debt or seek higher interest rates.

I have yet to see any alternative economic policies (putting aside tariffs and that Trump is not a nice person) that would address this trade deficit policy.

Yes tariffs are a blunt tool and yes they harm other countries economies but no one is offering anything alternative to fix the deficit.

Killing the world economy in a misguided effort to close the trade deficit (expert economists are mixed on how much it matters) is not going to fix anything. The answer largely lies in using our advantage to upskill, not in bringing back a few low paying manufacturing jobs (good luck to them when those workers try to unionise), which are going to become increasingly scarce in the very near future. Again. We can't go back to 1950s economies. We have to work with what is.

Yes tariffs are a blunt tool and yes they harm other countries economies

You keep saying this, like it makes it real. Show me one model that calculates gains from tariffs having an overall favourable impact on the US domestic economy. And I don't mean statements from the White House or right wing media sycophants. I mean an actual model that games it out. How much manufacturing we're bringing back, costs/timelines to get all this manufacturing up and running, how many employed, profits, how we get the parts for the manufacturing (currently tariffed, and tariffed each time they move around for manufacturing should all parts of the supply chain not be based in the US) etc. Surely someone would have worked out some likely scenarios before taking such very drastic steps and making Americans, at least for the moment, much, much poorer.

I posted two articles for you further up in the thread about trade deficits.

You seem very, um, susceptible to misinformation and spin and resistant to information, for one so keen on facts.

Igotjelly · 08/04/2025 14:52

I don’t think some posters are posting in good faith.

lawpluslaw · 08/04/2025 14:54

TulipTiptoer · 08/04/2025 14:48

Oh don't be ridiculous. If you think RFK is a suitable Health Secretary, there is absolutely NO point in discussing ANYTHING with you. I can't believe you think he is the right man for the job. Of course he is anti vax! Only today he has said that 300 anti vax physicians cured 300 measle stricken children!

WHO reported that measles cases increased globally from 8·6 million in 2022 to 10·3 million in 2023.Tragically, most of these infections occurred in low-income, conflict-ridden regions, where vulnerable populations are already struggling with inadequate access to health care. Even worse, the growing vaccine hesitancy spurred by pandemic-era disruptions has contributed to these rising numbers, making a future under Kennedy's leadership potentially catastrophic.

That article is from the Lancet if you know what that is and with a comment from the World Health Organisation.
But no, I don't read. 😲

Do you know about his vaccine misinformation campaign and Samoa? I presume not. 5,700 people infected. 83 died. And this is on an island with a population of only 200,000. The Ministry of Health said Kennedy's visit and his rhetoric about vaccines was the reason so many died.

I hope my post answers your question "in what way is he anti vaccine?"

Your comment about China isn't worth commenting on.

I do wonder if @hamstersarse knows that RFK personally made 2.5 million over the last two years by getting people to sue vaccine manufacturers?

He encourages people to sue over Gardisil. Merck, the manufacturer, settles because it's cheaper for them than fighting in court, he gets paid for each person he's referred.

No conflict of interest there...

TulipTiptoer · 08/04/2025 14:55

Igotjelly · 08/04/2025 14:52

I don’t think some posters are posting in good faith.

I'm inclined to agree with you.

Next minute we'll be hearing Pete Hegseth is a good choice for Secretary of Defence! 😂

cardibach · 08/04/2025 14:55

1dayatatime · 08/04/2025 13:23

OK - because Trump lies and peddles untruths then it's all OK for those opposing his views to do the same?

Personally I think the truth matters.

Where did I say that? Absolutely fine for anyone with correct 8nto to counteract incorrect statements. Less fine for them to then throw out accusations of people being ‘hard left’ or ‘conspiracy theorists’ because they happened to have been given incorrect information.
It’s a bit revealing that you think only the ‘hard left’ (whatever that is - doesn’t seem to exist in the U.K., and America is much further right than we are - democrats are more like One Nation Tories) might dislike Trump or disagree with his policies.

lawpluslaw · 08/04/2025 14:58

cardibach · 08/04/2025 14:55

Where did I say that? Absolutely fine for anyone with correct 8nto to counteract incorrect statements. Less fine for them to then throw out accusations of people being ‘hard left’ or ‘conspiracy theorists’ because they happened to have been given incorrect information.
It’s a bit revealing that you think only the ‘hard left’ (whatever that is - doesn’t seem to exist in the U.K., and America is much further right than we are - democrats are more like One Nation Tories) might dislike Trump or disagree with his policies.

Plus, to be fair, with the sheer volume of lies and corruption it would be a full time job to verify everything.

TopPocketFind · 08/04/2025 14:59

1dayatatime · 08/04/2025 14:19

Well it depends on the intent of conspiracy theory. In this case because the intention is to falsely claim that the two Trump brothers committed the crime of insider trading in order to damage their reputations then yes it's a far left conspiracy theory.

Whereas if I made that false accusation because I'm an existing shareholder and pissed off that they got a preferential share price then it would be a simple conspiracy theory.

Let me know if you want any clarifications on other conspiracy theories and I'll be happy to help.

When is a conspiracy theory not a conspiracy theory?

TulipTiptoer · 08/04/2025 15:02

lawpluslaw · 08/04/2025 14:58

Plus, to be fair, with the sheer volume of lies and corruption it would be a full time job to verify everything.

Yes. And here is just the fact checking on Trump's bigly scoreboard and tariffs.

Leading Economists representing all sorts of Institutions talk of how flawed it was. And Trump's lies too. Which are part and parcel of whenever he opens his mouth.

https://www.factcheck.org/2025/04/trumps-misleading-tariff-chart/

Trump's Misleading Tariff Chart - FactCheck.org

In his Rose Garden announcement of sweeping new "reciprocal tariffs," President Donald Trump held aloft a misleading chart that claimed to give a breakdown of the tariffs other countries charge the U.S. and the corresponding tariff that the U.S. will n...

https://www.factcheck.org/2025/04/trumps-misleading-tariff-chart/

cardibach · 08/04/2025 15:05

1dayatatime · 08/04/2025 14:19

Well it depends on the intent of conspiracy theory. In this case because the intention is to falsely claim that the two Trump brothers committed the crime of insider trading in order to damage their reputations then yes it's a far left conspiracy theory.

Whereas if I made that false accusation because I'm an existing shareholder and pissed off that they got a preferential share price then it would be a simple conspiracy theory.

Let me know if you want any clarifications on other conspiracy theories and I'll be happy to help.

Why ‘far’ left? Most of the right distrust them too.

1dayatatime · 08/04/2025 15:08

TopPocketFind · 08/04/2025 14:59

When is a conspiracy theory not a conspiracy theory?

Edited

When it's a theory that the theory is a conspiracy theory when in fact it's not a conspiracy just an ill informed theory.

1dayatatime · 08/04/2025 15:10

cardibach · 08/04/2025 15:05

Why ‘far’ left? Most of the right distrust them too.

Well it comes down to the intent - so if I was far right and thought that the Trump brother's and Trump were not right wing enough and were imo lefties then that would make it a far right conspiracy theory.

cardibach · 08/04/2025 15:13

1dayatatime · 08/04/2025 15:10

Well it comes down to the intent - so if I was far right and thought that the Trump brother's and Trump were not right wing enough and were imo lefties then that would make it a far right conspiracy theory.

So how do you know the first one was a far left theory? Plus, yes, you would have to be very, very far right to attack trump for not being right wing enough. Lots of people on the right also want to attack him. Why couldn’t an attack be a soft right, or centrist, or soft left conspiracy theory. Why ‘hard left’?

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