Zelensky - Trump meeting.…just horrible. BBC news live.

[JanieJS]

Scary stuff.

I don't know what to say.

Before WW2, plenty of people criticised Churchill, "bloody old warmonger" (in fairness, partly because of the horrors of WW1 they had experienced), until he was proved right. No he wasn't a perfect saint and I'm sure Zelenskyy isn't, but what they both had is the clear sight to recognise that people wandering over sovereign countries because they think they can is something to oppose, lest you or your allies are next..

The really scary thing is that Churchill had only to deal with FDR and at that point Stalin was onside.

Trump is an odious man, but he does seem to be right about one thing - everyone else needs him more than he needs them

Exactly, and that "everyone else" includes Ukraine

We don't have to admire Trump (and certainly not the way he's behaved today) to appreciate the reality of the situation, and Zelensky's failure to prepare properly may have damaged Ukraine badly

Endlessly expecting more money's all very well and may even prop up Zelensky's self-image as a "strong man", but he's the one who needs the help and what's he going to do now?

Ever wonder how a 3rd rate comedian has become a multi billionaire in the last 3 years?

Of course Zelensky doesn't want the war to end.

The difference is trump is a businessman not a politician

you can’t treat every political decision as a business deal

You may or may not agree with aiding Ukraine, but watching the USA tell Ukraine give us almost all your mineral wealth and therefore long term prosperity or we'll let these other people destroy you, is sickening and despicable.

I hope all the world is taking note and making preparations for the future.

I love it that smug middle class mumsnetters sit in their cosy homes, eager to sacrifice foreign young men for their futile ideological wars.

Right so 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

It is very import supplier of grain. It has always been important farming land.

Oh behave. What utter tosh. What kind of maniac would do that to a country to become rich.

he could just take some ironing in if he needed the cash

Warmongering? People are talking about the right to defend yourself. To not be trampled into the ground by despots.

This is one of the most profoundly naive posts I’ve read on here.

That was insane. I cannot believe how Zelensky kept his cool.
It's like telling off the bullied kid at school for being bullied.
It makes me wonder if Donald has make a promise/plan with Vlad that he can't now follow through on and he was panic raging.

Volod did himself extremely proud today.

Europe seriously need to step up, man.

A lot of patronizing assumptions being made there Russki bot

Right, I have just had to take my calm down meds! Such scary times. Almost makes me glad I have stage 4 cancer so I might not be here to witness where this ends if it all goes any further tits up.
I had already renamed the orange one’s lair as The Shite House. Now added to this the Offal Orifice.
Cheers me up a tiny bit in times of terror anyway.

If you read the guardian they put a different slant on it. Everyone knows you need to massage his ego, and as he makes a goldfish look like it has a long attention span , both the European leaders fawned over him so that they have his attention. Now we can wriggle into his mind and change his mind about things.

Come to an agreement. Yes. Give putin something.
Move on.
Stop us all being blown to smithereens and young Ukrainian and Russian men being used as cannon fodder.

Well in fairness Zelensky shouldn't be protecting sex offenders like Hunter Biden.

Bread basket of the world isn’t it

History does repeat itself. It is a truism, not a cliche.

An aggressive leader, in a difficult economic situation (Hitler/Putin) will fight a war, unless they are stopped.

Seriously?? What planet are you on??

There is a literal script FFS and every time someone engages they get a hit.

Have you met Mr Chamberlain??

Well in fairness Zelensky shouldn't be protecting sex offenders like Hunter Biden.

It's ok for sex offenders like Trump to be president though? Some weird people on this thread.

Even if Zelenskyy was an absolute fraud, is the Russian invasion of Ukraine OK?

The trump haters don't care about all that.

Orange man bad. That's all that matters.