Trump fans, what are your thoughts now please?

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Just wondering.

They have every right to join NATO. Finland has joined NATO when previously it was fine out of it. I'm saying they had every right to join NATO but some of the Left in this country were saying that it was Ukraines fault they were invaded because of it, now Trump is saying the same thing, it's beyond the pale.

Yes, I completely agree. I found Munich being used for peace talks quite chilling.

I doubt they’re having any of the types of regrets Labour voters are having.

Trump is doing exactly what he said he’d do, and that is what the Americans voted for.

Meanwhile in the UK, our government is turning out to be a real shit show. A cabinet of liars and incompetence.

What can you do?

What about the women and girls, some of them primary school aged, who are now forced to birth their rapists' babies?

What about the little girl, 11 years old, who just killed herself because she so desperately feared her parents being detained by ICE and deported, leaving her all alone? Her bullies didn't come up with that by themselves. They used Trump's rhetoric to taunt her to her death.

You don't care about women and girls. You are a fraud.

I am GC but would never in a million years describe myself as "thrilled" by a man who has the blood of women and girls on his hands just because he knows what a woman is.

Except that the changes to the Title IX NIL payments means that funding for women's sports is going to be cut which will mean far more female athletes missing out on scholarships than before.

He seems more interested in trying to be a celebrity. Appearing on magazine covers and turning up to music award shows. Not to mention turning up to serious meetings dressed in camo army gear.

He's raking in billions after billions and he's fully aware that if the war stops then the money stops.

Vald - you know your propaganda doesn't really work outside of Russia don't you?

I suspect that if it came to it a larger proportion of the right were saying that 3 years ago. If you want to split it as left/right I’d guess it’s the extremes of both ends of the spectrum. In reality support for Ukraine is and still is high in the U.K. across all parties.

Oh they absolutely are having those kinds of regrets and it’s as funny as fuck.

Raking in billions personally? From where? How do you know this? Or are you talking about the aid Ukraine as a country has received?

These are exactly the kind of comments that have led to this shit show in the first place.

The USA need’s swing voters to vote for the Democrats next time. Calling people who voted for Trump stupid really isn’t going to convince them to vote any other way. You alienate people, you lose their vote.

The problem with the left is that you desperately want to think and hear that America is regretting its decision to elect Trump.
You can wish for that all you like, but it’s not going to change the fact that Trump is in office and making the decisions, and there are millions upon millions of very happy Americans.

I don’t think you can rationally claim Europe have tried to get peace. They have been quite happy to let all those young men die. I admire Trump for his base value of stopping the bloodshed. No one in the whole of this time has had that base motivation

He's doing even better than I thought he would.

I mean, Zelenskyy does have a £35m villa in Florida but I’m sure it’s coincidence

Absolutely agree with this. Wtf is he calling zelensky a dictator and saying noone wants him in power? Utter crap.

I do agree with many of his policies and would have voted for him if I lived in the US. However I also know he's a complete dickhead

No, he's happy to secure 'peace' by conceding to what Putin wants because he has less to lose when the inevitable happens in the not too distant future, and because of the financial gain. Aside from just handing swathes of Ukraine over and letting Putin have what he wants with zero resistance (which wouldn't stop with Ukraine btw), what do you suggest Europe should have done? Russia is also in a very different situation now- their military is depleted, kit is dwindling, their economy is fucked; if Trump would have done the exact same but years ago when it started he wouldn't have got anywhere.

Oh they absolutely are having those kinds of regrets and it’s as funny as fuck.

What are you sure about here?

Not really because the other poster just claimed to understand the left but didn't provide any evidence to back it up . So you read their claim and accepted it ( I sense a theme shared by many trump supporters).

Where is the list of what 'leftists believe'?

Anyway I'll bite . The right believes in

Individual responsibility is king
That a gap between the poor and the wealthy is a not a bad thing as it provides an incentive to cross it and is in any case unavoidable as it is part of human nature to compete which inevitably leads to losers
That government needs to stay out of business. Regulation stymies businees creativity and enterprise
Capitalism, preferably very lightly regulated is the best system for humans to live in
We should look after our selves first before looking after others
People who commit crimes are 100% percent responsible for where they end up
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These are all ideas that are quite pragmatic and probably reslisstic in that they are about how human beings work and what motivates them. I'd argue that they can go wrong without some regulation to mitigate the human tendency to go to extremes of selfishness sometimes. But I tend to the left in my view

I think moderates on the right are optimistic about human nature, whereas moderates on the left are not and think we probably need to curb some of the worst aspects of human nature with regulation for winners in life and support for the losers

Neither idea is necessarily all wrong but extremes at either end lead to serious problems, which is where we are now

I dont think Trump is ''on the right'. He is pretty much a dictator in the making . Those come in left and right colours pretty equally

I agree with this. He does for sure have some easily influenced, clueless and stupid supporters, but so does every party. Reality is that as the left veers more into ridiculousness people seek an alternative, just a shame in this case this is the alternative. The left would do well to listen to the electorate though and review what people's priorities are and see where they've gone wrong. No way is everyone who voted for him far right (as in, genuine far right ideologists), but lots are disillusioned with the alternatives.

There are no left wing parties in the US. They would not know the far left if it bit them

Americans are beginning to regret their decision and they are only a few weeks in. They will only grow in number as the economic impact of chaos and irresponsibly spreads and deepens.

Trump wants to make money and he is Putins asset. The end

What he's proposing is capitulation last time that happened in order to get peace in Europe the aggressor made the most of the opportunity to strengthen the military before walking into Poland and starting WW2.
Blaming immigrants mass deportation and putting rich cronies into power were also part of the master plan.