Dominic Cummings is Musk's informer

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It's been revealed in multiple media sources after much speculation that Dominic Cummings has been whatsapping Musk with strategies to undermine the UK government and our democracy. For a while commentators have been speculating that Musk must have a hard right UK informant, since he's not across any detail himself and really has no understanding of the UK or our political system himself (see his comments about asking the King to dissolve the government). He's clearly been radicalised by watching Tommy Robinson's videos, and now we discover it's Cummings up to his dark tricks again.

I don't think I've ever wished harm to another person but honestly I wish Cummings would just bugger off for good.

Whatever.

We're looking through different prisms.

Instant justice after civil unrest wasn't a Labour thing alone. It happened after Tottenham etc in 2011 for just one example.

So many posters against free speech on here …
And yet they’re the ones accusing everyone else of being “far right “ 🙄
The irony…

The people who were locked up quickly gave guilty pleas. That’s why it was efficient!
It’s trials that are the issue. A deep rooted issue that was one of the reasons the election was called when it was.

@OpheliaWasntMad but he's the one turning it into a political stunt.

If I'm honest, yes I would rather he didn't speak about it. He doesn't understand the issues, he takes what he sees on X at face value, and he is doing this with the end goal of destabilising our nation. He doesn't want an inquiry. He doesn't care about the girls. He doesn't care why it happened, he cares about getting Reform into power and then buying influence in this country.

The USA is headed down a very dangerous path. One where women and children are political pawns and will die due to the policies being implemented. I don't want that here and I don't want Musk exploiting victims of rape to achieve his goal.

It is a political issue, nobody’s turning it into one.

True - it is political. I should have been clearer.
My point was the suggestion that if you support Musk’s focus on this it means you’re aligned with right wing ideology - most people I know are glad this terrible issue is getting air time - not because they’re right wing but because they are appalled at the way it has been minimised and downplayed

Musk likes paid-for speech, not free speech. He tweets lies, exaggerations and nonsense, he sets up asystem that channels any crap he tweets to the top of the system he owns, we pay. Just like TR whose 'free speech' to earn him money came close to derailing trials of abusers.

I agree that tarring everyone who disagrees with their ideology as far right, hard, right or whatever is childish, and detracts from what, to some of us, is concern about the traction actual far right policies are getting in many European countries. What happened to debating polices? No, it’s easier to throw mud. Don’t however, dare to do the same…or your opinions will be legislated into hate speech ;)

I blame the rapist groomers because their actions have fuelled racist hatred and I blame our government (previous and current) for not doing a better job of protecting girls and women. Musk just has to fan the flames.

That aside, I am far more worried about what Labour are doing to our economy right now. I think that will create more misery for us than Musk will.

I get that . I know Musk has an agenda.
So let’s just throw light on this topic on grooming gangs because we are giving grist to his mill by looking as if we’re shutting down free speech

“If I'm honest, yes I would rather he didn't speak about it. He doesn't understand the issues”

Im quite sure he doesn’t fully understand the issues. None of us do . But all the more reason to get it all out in the open.

Same

I’ve noticed MN is no longer the left echo chamber that it was for years. A good thing to see different views, for a change. Or ‘far right’ as they’re called on here

Well - we can just tell everyone how dreadful we think Musk is … and how we hate the far right

Or we can deal with facts, evidence, issues related to his claims

Yep

I’m sure Musk is on here and is devastated to read that MN disapproves of his actions!

It’s been in the open for over a decade. Julie Bindel and Suzanne Moore wrote about it in 2007. Andrew Norfolk wrote an expose about it in 2011. There have been seven or eight inquiries. And if Musk’s motives were in the interests of the victims he could have supported them without lying about Starmer and putting Jess Phillips in danger.

Finally, much better

@ThisAintNoPartyThisAintNoDisco

"I’ve noticed MN is no longer the left echo chamber that it was for years. A good thing to see different views, for a change. Or ‘far right’ as they’re called on here"

Or alternatively described as "extreme far right " or "fascist" or "racists".

Give it another 12 months and anyone criticising left wing politics will be described as "really extreme far right".

@OpheliaWasntMad it's been in the open since 2011. This is not a new issue. We know what happened. We know why. It's disgraceful.

But allowing Musk, who is far right (like it or not, he is) use this issue to push his own woman-hating agenda on the UK is not a good thing.

For clarity: there is no debate that those victims/survivors of the horrific grooming/rape gangs were failed by the system - they deserve justice and we absolutely need to do everything we can to make sure they get it, and that further cases do not occur. To demand that isn’t far-right, of course it’s not (and that’s not actually what Starmer said either). Let’s not forget that Starmer overhauled the DPP system to make it easier to prosecute these men and brought the first conviction against a grooming gang, so there’s hard evidence to suggest that’s what he wants to and moreover, he’s actioned that.

We can agree on how horrendous these crimes are and push for action on it, whilst also recognising that people within far-right groups like the EDL, BNP, etc. will also then use these cases to exploit their views on race and ethnicity. It’s highly offensive and inaccurate to suggest that anyone who criticises the well-documented bigotry and hate of these far-right groups is then labelled apologist for these rapists - which is exactly what Musk called Jess Phillips, a women who has supported female victims of abuse for decades.

People praising Musk for trying to tear down our government and install one more favourable to his business interests are fucking idiots.

People praising Musk for whipping up hatred and division in our country (not his) that will almost inevitably end in violence one way or another are absolutely batshit.

Hello AzurePanda. I completely agree that free speech is a keystone of democracy and should always be defended. It works both ways. Musk has a right to express his opinions and people have the right to say they don’t like him interfering in other countries.

Since we agree that he has his own agenda, the next question has to be, what is that agenda and why? I think this is really important.

Hear hear.

Would like a Venn diagram to illustrate all those praising Musk's uninformed cobblers about the UK are the same as those who had bitch fits about Obama voicing his Brexit views.

Suspect it will look like this: O

No one is praising Musk for these things.
Musk has his own agenda. I’m no supporter of Musk .
Re - “whipping up hatred and division “

There has to be freedom of speech and people have to be allowed to discuss. Tommy Robinson etc will use this issue for their own ( yes - far right) agenda but shutting down the debate or calling everyone “far right “ will increase their support.

Address the issues. Point out the inconsistencies/ untruths/ inaccuracies. Highlight the links between Cummings and Musk / speculation on their political agenda… all fine

Shutting down debate on the grooming gangs on the basis that it feeds into “far right” narrative is not fine.