So does "far right" mean you're concerned about the impacts of mass immigration?

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Cause I'm far right if so then!

Genuinely interested to hear what people consider as being "far right". I put it in quotation marks cause the term is so over-used incorrectly, it's actually lost all meaning.

I have lived and worked in other countries and I am very open to and interested in people from different cultures. But there is so much disinformation about the topic of mass migration. My top points would be:

1. Many people from poorer countries would love to live in the UK, USA, Australia etc. Recent surveys suggest more than 30% of people in poor countries would like to move. That would mean 2 billion people would come to the UK if they could. This would have enormous negative impact on the environment, and countryside and culture.

2. There have now been really good studies from the Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden showing that while immigrants from rich countries are net contributors to the welfare state, immigrants from poor countries are net expenses. People from Africa and Asia on average cost us British about a million dollars over their life time. There is only so much of this we can afford.

3. Statistics clearly show that English people are now a minority in London, and white English people are a minority of children in school, and white English people will be a minority in the UK by 2040. I think ethnic English people are a really interesting and unique people and culture and for them to be replaced in their own country is in someway a loss, just the same I think having most of the the Maori disappear from New Zealand or the Tutsis or Hutus disappear from Rwanda would also be a loss.

4. Making enormous changes to the ethnic, cultural, religious makeup of a country should only be done with the citizens consultation and consent. We were never consulted and voters have always said they are not really in favour of mass migration.

I hope these points are not too crazy or radical. I really do like and respect people from all different countries and cultures. I am happy to hear other opinions on why mass migration would really be a good idea.

Is it acceptable to say I'd be concerned if I lived in an area where I witnessed an influx of young men who behaved in a way that was not in keeping with my views. Could I attribute that behaviour to the culture or religion and therefore be afraid or concerned based on that?

It's a genuine question because I feel this is how alot of people think. I am not saying this view is accurate at all but is there any truth and how does anyone know that? So that's one issue of concern for people I believe before we even get started on resources.

Are there hotels full of young men from countries outside the UK. Are their cultural views and values similar to mine? If they aren't, I might be scared of that. Again this is what I think is happening in the minds of some. Does this equal racism or xenophobia? It might.

How are we to know this and which news sources can we trust? We have to be able to talk about it.

Useful post containing facts.

I'm not proving any of your points.

I'm pointing out that what you said is nonsense. As @Nordione1 says, Immigration is a widespread, mainstream concern of UK citizens. Your slightly right of JC = far right is a common trope amongst the actual far right and is a parroted at length on GB News.

It's not real.

I'm not continually missing your point. You keep asking the same question: do you want open borders? No one wants open borders so why keep asking the question? No government has suggested open borders and we don't have open borders.

Reform want net zero immigration, so there are people who not only want that to happen but are deluded enough to vote for it.

If the government are giving out visas to people who aren't beneficial to the country then they need to better vet those they give visas to.

We let in a lot of foreign students, NHS workers and people who wok in hospitality. Foreign workers keep wages down, so it's a complex issue that needs to be tackled if you want to give out fewer work visas.

I think the rape gang scandal which is about /has kicked off again is going to be very damaging to community relations unfortunately. Particularly as in Parliament the figure of 250,000 victims was stated, and the suggestion that that is the tip of the iceberg.

Yes but unless you believe in totally open borders, you are one of the people who has concerns over immigration aren't you?

I don't believe in open borders OP, no one does. It would be great if you rebooted as you're stuck in a loop.

@Nordione1 this subject and people feeling afraid to talk about it only feeds into the genuine far right agenda. I believe one can say certain values, cultural beliefs and religious views ( across all sectors) might not align with my own. This scandal is going to feed into the far right agenda and innocent people will get hurt.

Ok, so why don't you believe in open borders?

You keep telling yourself that.
And when the next election goes the way the Brexit referendum did, then don’t come whinging.

Bollocks

I don't think that this is fair: so it’s just your inner prejudices

Mass migration, usually after wars or famines, does cause upheaval and people should be able to discuss.

More often than not people who are on the move, in a legal or illegal manner, are suffering the consequences of whatever drove them to make the journey in the first place, from the journey itself, and from landing in a place that often does not want them.

The tragedy of it is overwhelming.

They are never settled in middle class/upper class areas though. As such, middle/upper class moral and ethical discussions around the issue are a little abstract in their nature.

They are always settled in poorer areas with existing challenges like poor infrastructure (schools, housing, medical, child care, transportation etc), housing, jobs etc. Therefore the ethical and moral discussion around the issue will not be abstract and it needs to be heard too.

We have plenty of variety of nationalities and religion where we live, it is harmonious and there is a lot of cultural exchange.

Without the money and the freedom that brings, I do wonder how it would be.

I can only speak to my personal experience on that.

Very few people believe in totally open borders. The great economist Milton Friedman said pick one: welfare state or open borders. But in practice we have open borders because we are not willing to deport people who come here illegally and also we operate large-scale rackets to bring in people who on average end up being net costs to the economy and do not contribute to the communities who have been forced to host them.

I say "on average" because that is what statistics show. The more multi-cultural a community is, the lower is the wellbeing and happiness of people living there and people from low-income countries in Africa, the middle east and Asia cost British taxpayers on average a million dollars over their lifetimes.

Of course there are wonderful people from all countries and cultures.

I don’t think wanting controlled immigration is extreme right wing. If someone wanted zero migration and also wanted to repatriate all the non whites then yeah I’d say they are a racist.

I’d be delighted to take any high skilled worker from any country in the world. I think if you get into a top ten university to study or are a brilliant scientist then we should be standing at the front door with a bunch of flowers begging you not to leave us. I consider myself to be extremely pro immigration, I think it can be wonderful and helpful to society as a whole to have extremely capable people make the UK their home.

I just don’t think taking absolutely anyone who wants to come is sensible. I think only very unserious people would suggest fully open borders.

I just don’t think taking absolutely anyone who wants to come is sensible

Why?

No one believes in open borders because we wouldn't be able to control the population, we wouldn't have the infrastructure and we would sink under the weight of people.

No nonsense. I have concerns about immigration, specifically numbers. For example even if labour hit the housebuilding target 1.5 million over next 4 years if immigration continues as it is, we won't even stand still on housing.

Completely agree. It's very scary and I feel very sorry for anyone innocent affected of which there are many and probably will.be many more.

I also think this might lead to the downfall of Keir Starmer's government. If there's one thing people hate more than racism it's paedophiles and (obviously for the avoidance of doubt Im not accusing anyone in government of being one) anyone that is involved in not stopping the attacks or turned a blind eye or just did not do their job needs to be held to account. I saw a clip from the Times journalist that had been investigating the Rotherham rapes for four years and it's harrowing. I think it will or should stand head and shoulders above anything else until a proper investigation happens. It's a shame it's already being covered up. But it will affect the UK people's view of immigration without a doubt.

https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/work-pay-and-benefits/pay-and-income/household-income/latest/

Asian covers a lot of different people. Educational outcomes and crime rates are also different.

And the NHS would be finished.

Because they may not be useful, whats the point in accepting anyone into your country unless your country better off? Why would you take for example 5 million people who will always need financial subsidies. You are burdening the rest of society rather than improving society.

Why on would you just take anyone. I thought we all agreed that open borders is not a good thing.

Prison space

Quite.

Virtually everyone would agree with this...ergo we all have concerns with immigration.