So does "far right" mean you're concerned about the impacts of mass immigration?

[genesis92]

Cause I'm far right if so then!

Genuinely interested to hear what people consider as being "far right". I put it in quotation marks cause the term is so over-used incorrectly, it's actually lost all meaning.

What do you mean by "oppose immigration"? Do you mean people who object to all immigration or people who have concerns over numbers?

No idea @Nordione1 I didn't ask.

I can tell you, having worked in housing for decades, that there are lots of people not paying for their emergency and other housing through the sweat of their brows who are all ethnicities.

I have worked in shelters where 90% of the workers were Black though. And the NHS, TFL, no idea what we would do with immigration and the children of immigration. Myself included.

Don't minimise the rape gangs

Multi culturalism absolutely has not worked. I'm a socialist. It's what I'm seeing every day. Birds of a feather flock together... but nowadays even more so, people are squeezing themselves into tinier and tinier identity boxes.

People are being othered more than ever before.

NT vs ND
Men vs Women
Political left and right
Class
Religion

It just gets worse and worse devision every day.

And yet they are also realising that with an aging population and one of the lowest birth rates in the world, they need to increase immigration significantly. Japanese culture is wonderful but is hard for foreigners to penetrate (much like Iceland now I think about it, another place grappling with questions of how many immigrants is too many) so it will be interesting to see how the govt manages it.

The answer is of course yes they were paying for their own hotel unless you were actually in a Korean asylum centre where a load of illegal American or UK immigrants were trying to force their way into Korea.

No I don't feel that way. I don't know if the poster does. I believe they're talking about feeling discomfort at how dramatically a place has changed in terms of the people ( culture, identity and language), and the shops and services in that place that was once familiar to them. The change is now unfamiliar to them and in a way they don't relate to ( language, culture, ).

That's ok to say I don't feel comfortable with this.

I'd feel the same if a place that was once familiar to me had changed in a way I didn't recognise or relate to anymore, say if it was primarily Russian now. I don't know if I'd feel ok about it if it were a place that was familiar to me before.

This is why I keep saying, is it not about more here than race?

I knew it. He's causing quite a stir. Apparently he also wants to fund the far right AfD in Germany as well.

@Getmeonaflight I'm not. I'm placing the rape gangs within the context of male violence and lack of conviction. A huge and rampant problem. If you pretend Asians are the issue, rather than men, you will miss the majority of CSA. Are you minimising that.

I do think an educated, data-driven, nuanced, intelligent conversation needs to be had about immigration, culture, work, population, women's rights, and a whole lot of other things. But Elon bloody Musk is not the man to have that conversation.

Trump, Farange, Musk, Robinson and all the others are part of the issue. We need to be intelligent and not let these self serving arseholes make us hate our neighbours, who have far more in common with us than they do.

It's bread and circuses, make no mistake.

I meant yes white people face discrimination in uk

@genesis92 please could you respond - which immigrants you want curbs on?

If you’re genuinely worried about immigration, what action do you want to see politicians taking?

Do you have evidence to support that? For example, white people being turned down for jobs? Not getting appropriate medical treatment while other races do. Not getting job interviews because of their names?

I'd be interested to see it.

I would have a bit of a problem if I went to a village in Brittany and there were no French people there, or a village in Ireland and half the population were from Nigeria, or a district in Nigeria with no Nigerians and all the occupants were from elsewhere. People should not be forced to become minorities in their own homelands without their consent. White English will be a minority in England by 2070 according to the Independent which is hardly a far-right newspaper. You may think that is a good thing, or a bad thing but it is a thing we should be allowed to discuss.

Poster was complaining about all the brown faces so yeah.

Yup people from the Philippines are moving there to work in elder care, it’s tough though, have to learn Japanese.

Do you believe someone who is not ethnically english say can ever be as british as you? Would you ever consider someone who is non white to be British?

Far right in the UK for the majority just means happily swallowing all of the tropes and repeating the same old shite, it seems. Especially on SM.

Loving Farage, Tommy Robinson, GB News, Katie Hopkins, Trump, Musk et al, plus they all hate the same things - The BBC, immigrants generally, vegans, Starmer, Carol Vorderman, farmers being forced to pay tax etc.

They just follow the crowd in terms of who they rail against and are happy to be told what to think.

There is no actual, cogent argument - just repetition of mostly lies they've read online. There is also no discussion, just shouting and mouth frothing and screams of 'fake news' if met with facts.

I cannot stand them, honestly.

Yes having legitimate concerns about the uncontrolled migration to this country labels you far right. Having an opinion, having concerns, questioning anything at all you’re far right.

it’s absolutely ridiculous and they’ve labelled everything far right to try and shut everyone up.

There was actually a court case you can google it. A man tried to join the police he didn’t get in. He decided to probe further with lawyers. He didn’t get as he was white !!! He got compensation. Where I live there has been recruitment drives where ethnic minorities have been told to apply only. Where I work they have specific targets for how many ethnic minorities, disabled and gay people have to be employed in a specific period.

If you also do FOI’s and look at the judicial system and the breakdown on punishment and break it down into race you will also see there’s a huge issue within the policing and judicial system.

Uncontrolled migration is definitely having a negative impact on the UK. It’s nothing at all to do with being racist it’s a fact.

Exactly, we are going to end up with sectarian politics and sectarian problems. Muslim Vote is just the start. The Times ran a great piece about 4 months ago discussing how the British state refuses to allow discussion of ethnic conflict and its different approach to ethnic
minorities rioting and British ethnic-majority rioting.

I have said this before - successive governments have sort to depoliticise the political choice of mass immigration. For Labour and liberals (like Cameron, Johnson) it is a moral choice to allow huge numbers to arrive here. What is immoral is not ensuring there are homes, jobs, etc for all. Yet we can’t - not on the scale coming. Denmark has succeed in reducing its immigration for that very reason. We have to able to deal with the population we have, not keep expanding the numbers. The country’s infrastructure, welfare provision, healthcare, housing stock etc are insufficient.

Tarring people with the label of far right just isn't going to be an effective strategy from herein.

When people have been told that they are far right for being gender critical, far right for being concerned about the response to grooming gangs or far right because immigration in recent years has become unsustainable then the accusation has become meaningless.

Worse than meaningless, it actively detoxifies the actual far right. See also, the rise of the afd in Germany.

That case was won because the action strayed from positive action (legal and to remove barriers) and into positive discrimination (illegal). Barriers for ethnic minorities in employment are significant and real.

According to mumsnet yes.

If you are concerned about the numbers of people immigrating to the UK, then yes that makes you far right. You may not want to believe it but that’s the truth. We have a huge issue in our society with blaming others for our problems. Currently this is perpetuated by a ‘so called’ immigration problem. NHS is a mess because people abuse their bodies. It is completely propped up by immigrants and without them we would be in a far worse situation. Social care is a huge problem because relatives refuse to look after their own. Another area in which immigrants are relied upon and yet berated for not being good enough. Education is in crisis because most parents don’t value it and absolve themselves of any responsibility of raising their own children - guess which children do well? You get the picture!

This question of immigration is so often discussed in this country. Can someone please tell me what actually is the problem with immigration?

The UK has a rapidly falling birth rate and without relatively high immigration, the country will be screwed in the near future. Currently, the we need immigrants both skilled and unskilled, to fill the deficit in most public sectors. The number of immigrants that come to this country for the welfare benefits is tiny in comparison to the number of British people on benefits. The number of men who abuse children/women/people is tiny in comparison to the number of British men who abuse etc.

Given the real life benefits of immigration over this risks, what is the actual problem? This conversation has been had in so many racist and non racist ways over generations. Exactly what is the issue? And exactly what do British people want to do to fix it so that immigrants will no longer be needed?