So does "far right" mean you're concerned about the impacts of mass immigration?

[genesis92]

Cause I'm far right if so then!

Genuinely interested to hear what people consider as being "far right". I put it in quotation marks cause the term is so over-used incorrectly, it's actually lost all meaning.

And racism does? You're on a thread about the far right espousing far right views.

I can't comment on how widespread that is, but it is certainly a factor.

It's specifically referenced in both the Jay report and the Casey report, and by the IOPC.

e.g. from a 2020 Times report by Andrew Norfolk:

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After a five-year investigation, the Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) upheld a complaint that the Rotherham officer told a missing child’s distraught father that the town “would erupt” if it was known that Asian men were routinely having sex with under-age white girls. The chief inspector is said to have described the abuse as “P* shagging” and to have said it had been “going on” for 30 years: “With it being Asians, we can’t afford for this to be coming out.”

His incendiary language features in a confidential report by the watchdog that upholds six complaints against South Yorkshire police by a former child victim of sexual exploitation.
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https://www.removepaywall.com/search?url=www.thetimes.com/article/police-chief-we-ignored-sex-abuse-of-children-hgrhc358v#googlevignette

It's not "far right" to want the law to apply to everyone equally no matter what their skin colour is, surely? Or is that far right now? Who knows...the definitions keep changing to encompass more and more of us unwitting fools living in this country.

@AIBot

"You could stop people coming across on small boats to claim asylum. But these represent less than 3% of immigrants overall, with a majority going on to attain refugee status and ending up working in useful roles. "

Actually it's easier to stop legal migration by just not issuing work visas

It is illegal migration that is much harder to stop because by definition it is illegal. The only thing you can try to do is to make the UK a less attractive destination for illegal migration by things like national ID cards etc

Regarding foreign students, UK universities would collapse without the money they bring. I work at a university and we're completely dependent on the income they bring (not to mention the cultural enrichment). We were always oversubscribed as a university, until last August. Following on from the summer riots the UK was seen as a hostile environment for foreign students and they've simply stopped applying. We are now struggling to fill our courses and losing money. If this continues into next year we're in serious trouble.
People can't just say "Ban foreign students" because we'll cease to exist without them. What I love about our university is the fact we have students from all over the world. It's a wonderful environment to work and learn in. Incredibly interesting to meet people from all corners of the globe.

It's far right to want an ethnostate. It's far right to generalise about people of other cultures and say they're all paedophiles.

You're one of those two tier intellects are you? Colour me surprised.

The university point which you seem to have fixated was that universities which rely on financing mainly from foreign students and which are being used as a route for immigration and residency rather than being good universities in themselves should probably close. This was in reply to.someone claiming that we needed mass immigration just to keep those universities going.

We don't need as many universities or graduates as we currently have anyway.

These little girls have been ignored or actually punished for decades and the people that should have been protecting them were too fearful of being accused of Islamophobia to look after them. It's inverse racism against white children and needs to be investigated in the open. Read all the news today. Horrific. We can't hide from the truth to pander to community relations any more.

If they were so "fearful" why did they intimidate, threatened and complained against independent researchers ? They should’ve welcomed them with open arms and given all the support to bring it all out in the open and stop it.

They were fearful indeed, not of being accused of Islamophobia though, but because for years they didn't give a shit , they didn't believe these children , were complicit and covered up what was going on.

It was a fucking brilliant strategy . Not only did it provide them with a great excuse but it shifted focus and anger. Poor,poor police officers (ironically , some forces have been proven to actually be institutionally racist) too afraid to be seen as racist. Give me a fucking break. "Life style choices" , "not a credible witness" .

@username299

"And racism does? You're on a thread about the far right espousing far right views."

Well it took a bit longer than I thought for the first accusation of being far right simply for expressing concerns about the levels of immigration.

For everyone else playing lefty bollocks buzzword bingo the next words to look out for are:
"Racist" and "Fascist".

The winner gets an emoji 🏆

I don't think I've said that, Caroline Cadwallader? I think I've been very specific in what I've accused the police and authorities of.

As usual you're not keeping up with the conversation.

You said it was part of Muslim culture to abuse children. Would you like me to quote you?

I don't think it's part of Muslim culture to be paedophiles, no. The men that run these grooming gangs do happen to be mainly Muslim though and that needs to be acknowledged just as the country acknowledged the Catholic Church abuse scandal.

As I said, I work at a University. The vast majority of foreign students return to their home countries and want to do so. Some stay here and find jobs. These people are some of the brightest people you'll meet and a real asset to the country. They'll be paying in way more than they take. We should want bright minds and talented people to stay here.
By the way, my DH came here as a student. He wanted to leave but met me and settled down here, simply because I wanted to stay in the UK. He's a very successful academic. He's brought in many millions of pounds of foreign money in research grants. He has created jobs for dozens of people, including many white British people. He's brought great prestige and a lot of money to the university. He brings in more money than he earns. He earns a lot and therefore pays a hell of a lot of taxes. He's also Asian, of Indian descent. I hope you don't feel he should leave, simply because he wasn't born here.

Yes he sounds like the sort of immigration we actually need. A net benefit to the economy per capita rather than a drain.

I wondered about that as the cause, but in the report extract I quoted the author states she can't explain why such a high proportion of offenders are Asian, so it cannot be that the report was scoped on Asian grooming gangs in particular.

I am absolutely not here to defend white anything (though I am white myself, just for transparency). But I do think that there is a very real institutional resistance to labeling non-white offending as such (e.g. as found in the Jay review, Casey review, IOPC and others). If, say, it was found that a hugely disproportionate share of white sex offending was men of French heritage from a particular part of Normandy, I'd absolutely 100% want to know what was going wrong with the Normans, and to stop it. If that made relations with the French tricky, so be it. Ditto where we find, e.g. white Protestant/Catholic gang criminality, Chinese triad organisations, white British drug trafficker rings, black urban gun crime, white European thieving rings, white paedophile rings, etc. etc. etc.

That doesn't mean I only want to look at things through an ethnic/cultural lens. Absolutely not. Only where it seems to be relevant to fixing the problem. And absolutely not to ignore crime that doesn't fit crude patterns. But there's enough in all we've read and seen about this particular issue to think that specific race and cultural elements were absolutely central to both the offending and the response to it, that I think we should be comfortable facing that.

Well put. That's what I feel but was not sufficiently eloquent to write.

I agree with you. I'm just very uncomfortable with the way this scandal has been hijacked by people with an anti-Muslim agenda, and innocent Muslims are being attacked (literally). But yes, I agree with all you say.

I'm not sure why their religion is important. The majority of Muslims don't rape children.

What is important is why these gangs went unfettered for years and why these girls were failed by everyone meant to be protecting them. The same questions that were asked about Savile, the UKs most prolific child rapist.

He was protected by the police and the BBC and he was raping children in hospital wards. The staff knew and did nothing and in the case of the grooming gangs, the police knew and did nothing.

In the case of the Catholic church the church knew and did nothing. A current investigation into Irish religious schools has brought out tens of thousands of cases of abuse which went on for decades.

In all these cases, institutions and safeguarding failed at a catastrophic level and thousands of children suffered.

Regarding the grooming gangs, the girls were blamed for choosing a certain lifestyle much as child prostitutes were blamed instead of being seen as victims.

Now that is something that is hugely concerning too. I think unless Keir takes ownership of this and launches a proper national enquiry, a lot of innocent people will get caught up in this. He needs to act quickly.

Religion is important as the perpertrators being Muslim was the reason the police did not act for fear of damaging community relations.

It just needs acknowledgement. Yes this is why this happened and therefore now we know this, we can stop it happening again.

One parent concerned about a missing daughter was told by the police that an “older Asian boyfriend” was a “fashion accessory” for girls in the town. The father of a 15-year old rape victim was told the assault might mean she would “learn her lesson”.

In at least one case, when a victim found the courage to go to the police, their abuser appears to have been tipped off. While still in the police station, one child received a text from her abuser informing her that he had her 11 year old sister, and that it was now “your choice…”. The child chose not to go through with the complaint.

That’s not fear, that's corruption and callousness and not giving a shit.

And the real proof is in the pudding... proper investigation have been made, trials took place, a lot of these men got convicted and the world (or England) didn't implode. Funny that.

Perhaps the police themselves were racist towards the white girls from poor areas. I suspect that's also a major part of the problem. White working class people don't matter to large parts of the establishment.

There have already been several investigations into the abuse as well as a child abuse enquiry in 2022.

It's too simplistic to view the abuse as being ignored because the majority of perpetrators were Muslim. Those girls were dismissed out of hand because they had no power.

Misogyny and classism meant they went ignored. There were also concerns about racial tension. The crux of the issue is people not doing their jobs and the point of reports are to examine why people didn't do their jobs and put strategies in place to prevent it happening again.

Oh and another thing, one council stopped enforcing licensing for taxi services. It's one thing to do nothing "for fear of being seen as racist" (still awful), but they actively made it easier for the rapists to target and transport their victims.

Once again I ask, is that "fear" or corruption?