Angry at scrapping of 2 child limit

[BearBuggy]

I know there are a few families that find themselves in rotten circumstances and this isn’t aimed at them . However I live in an area where having children to continue to receive benefits was the norm and only now the cap is in place has that stopped.

The Scottish government has now announced it will be scrapped. I am so angry I’m paying towards people breeding children they can’t afford. I didn’t vote SNp this time because of this, as did many of my friends. They lost heavily in my area but still seem to not care what the tax payer is saying.

😂 to be fair the other tenner may well go on Aldi Prosecco.

Fairly obviously if you work full time you are owed 30 mins a week. Some areas are paying it as overtime this is happening where my sons girlfriend works others are letting staff finish earlier if that’s possible. Some part timers are being asked if they’d like their contracted hours slightly increased . It’s obviously not a perfect solution but every nurse I know across many regions in Scotland is either getting paid for the extra 1/2 hour (if full time) or getting it back by as time owing.

Well my husband and I do it and don't begrudge it. HTH.

Do you really think people have children because they want extra money? Won’t the majority of them be having children anyway and just be poorer? Also I say ‘majority’ but we actually have an ageing population and a far fewer people are having kids. Considering it’s actually not much extra money I’d say let them crack on! Far more important things to wind me
up .

Another significant area that is only ever discussed from a UK (read English) centric viewpoint, when reality is completely different in Scotland.

This being a Scottish Government announcement, I think it's perfectly reasonable to point out this "bursting at the seams" narrative simply doesn't apply in Scotland.

2023-24 was the first year since the 1960's that the Scottish population has actually grown. We absolutely need to increase both our birthrate, and the number of immigrants. That fact gets completely ignored though, because all the media wants to talk about is small boats, and public services disintegrating in England and Wales because of underinvestment, and the lie that this is because of immigration.

I do understand where you are coming from. Where I live it is mostly those on benefits that seem to have more than two kids. How can that be right? A long hard look at the benefit system is desperately needed across the country so that working pays. However, it is never the child's fault so on balance I think that the two child policy should be scrapped. It is pretty awful when you think about it.

If I wanted an extra £20 per week I can think of much easier ways of doing it than another pregnancy, childbirth and then parenting a baby or toddler. Jeez.

It's not really about the fairy small amount of child benefit, it's the entitlement to other elements of UC that made multiple children more profitable.

This. It is not the right approach.

Surely that only works if the 3rd child becomes a net contributor?

PMSL laughing. You reckon we take in a million immigrants a year?!

Theoretically yes, but you don't help the chances of that becoming reality by

1. preventing people being able to have a 3rd child in the first place
2. needlessly subjecting children to added poverty which just further hampers their opportunity

Surely that only works if the 3rd child becomes a net contributor?

There are thousands upon thousands of people out there doing essential jobs that will never be net contributors. What do you suggest? That we sterilize anyone on minimum wage? That we only allow people under 25 to do minimum wage work?

And as a teacher, I believe I am not a net contributor. Would you prefer I found other work?

Not quite that straightforward. They will also get extra SCP as it’s Scotland. The requirement to work is also extended which is why children are generally born 3 years apart.

906000 was the net migration June 22 to June 23.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3degx4029ko

They need to lead with carrot not stick.. just because it's the children that suffer. And people aren't as in control of their fertility as much as we would like to pretend. I've fallen pregnant 3 times on contraception for example.... yet I have a friend actively trying to fall pregnant and it's been years and no joy.
Yes there may be people who think they'll have a kid to get some extra money.. but like any other benefits I do not think that justifies the amount of suffering it causes to people if you try and cap the benefit due to something people aren't always in control of.
And NO WOMAN ANYWHERE should EVER have to have an abortion they don't really want because they are worried about how to feed and clothe the child. Not in this wealthy country in this day and age. Women should only have abortions if that's what they genuinely want. I don't think the risk of some people taking advantage outweighs the risk of women being forced to terminate accidental pregnancies when they otherwise wouldn't have. You know coerced birth is wrong, why can't you see that coerced abortion is wrong? That's what the benefit cap leads to.
And then there's the effect on the children. When women really can't bring themselves to go through with an abortion or find out too late.. and they end up living in poverty. Which has a massive ripple effect across the entire family line. Kids born in poverty have far worse outcomes statistically and that carries on down the line.. their kids are more likely to live in poverty etc etc
I'm glad to see labour actually doing something about this.
You want to get people into work and off benefits? Give them access to good quality free education, give them a sense of home and ambition. Don't mire them in entrenched generational poverty. The cap doesn't actually get anyone off benefits or prevent a drain on the state, it was just a vote winning gimmick.. get vulnerable people blaming other vulnerable people for their problems.

and how many years has that been going on for? do you expect other countries to take you in in the event of war or massive targetted attack on the UK?

You think British people will flee to France if war breaks out? Really?

The SNP know their audience - handouts have always been their USP, they're upping the handouts ante to a laughable level out of sheer desperation for votes.
They're also spending a fortune on council housing to house people who can't actually afford to pay rent/full rent. Young working people, who plan their families in a responsible way, can't get a council house because priority is given to people who've gone ahead and had children they can't afford, and mortgage rates are too high for young people to get a foot on the ladder.

Hate to be the pedant but the two child limit is on universal credit/child tax credit not child benefit

Gosh, I was just demonstrating that it isn't a laughable, ridiculous or unachievable figure. I think this year is 750k.

It hasn't stopped people having kids tho.......that's the issue. So money is being stretched further and kids are suffering as a result.......this will hopefully save millions as social care involvement as a result of poverty will reduce.

ONS figures for unemployment.

And because you can make sensible decisions that is why you are not living in poverty. The kind of people @BearBuggy op is talking about don't usually have the average IQ and so make poor decisions.

Your second paragraph is rather odd. Complaining about building more social housing, while simultaneously complaining about the lack of social housing.

It's also local authorities who decide and dictate housing priority, not central government. It's usually just number of dependants that decides priority, so a family of 6 is just a family of 6 regardless of anything else. Homelessness is obviously a priority, so of course LA's are going to provide housing to homeless families before they will to a family already in a fixed address. Are you seriously suggesting it should be the other way around?