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Savingthehedgehogs · 02/11/2024 17:48

republicofjam · 02/11/2024 17:46

Thank you. I heard Political Thinking last week which what I assume you are referring to, and yes, always an interesting listen that deals in back ground etc. However Savingthehedgehogs advised another poster to listen to a R4 to find out what Kami Badenoch's policies were. I have been struggling to locate it and was hoping that Savingthehedgehogs would* *share the programme details. I have asked nicely twice.

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And I have already replied, so you sift through and find it my friend.

Llhaaf · 02/11/2024 17:48

Off topic, but this thread is making me feel like jam roly-poly.

Understairscupboard · 02/11/2024 17:49

User37482 · 02/11/2024 17:35

I doubt it, she’s been consistently popular with the grassroots tories for a while now. She isn’t there as a token and it’s a crappy thing to say about someone who has just won leadership of her party. Perhaps she earned her place amongst her peers. It’s just racism to assume positive discrimination or tokenism rather than that she won her race fair and square. No party elects a leader other than for the reason that they think a) they are competent b) they can win.

You don’t have to share her political beliefs to think that. The racism aimed at right wing women of colour is vile.

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No party elects a leader other than for the reason that they think a) they are competent b) they can win.
Are you sure? Six leaders in nine years (including Truss and Johnson)??

rainingsnoring · 02/11/2024 17:50

Rummly · 02/11/2024 17:39

I’m sure I recall the Labour Party saying on many occasions during the last parliament that they had no need or wish to present policies. I’m fairly sure I recall quite a few posters on here saying the same, with approval.

I may be wrong.

I’d be perfectly happy to have a constructively critical leader of the opposition, with few detailed policy commitments for a long time.

The first constructively critical things that Badenoch could do would be to welcome the WFA cut as sensible welfare pruning and wish the government well in combatting welfare fraud. There’s plenty of opposing to do elsewhere.

@Rummly @User37482 Labour may well have said that too. I agree that expecting well constructed detail is unrealistic and impossible but, if I were voting for a leader, I would want to understand their political ideas fully and the direction in which they wanted to take the party. Her campaign mainly seemed to be political and involved throwing a lot of red meat at Tory party members, a lot of whom are racist. I somehow doubt she is going to support cutting WFA, again for political reasons, because Tory voters tend to be old, statistically. So I don't see any substance, I see spin and playing politics. Actually, I also see a good deal of nasty, divisive behaviour!

EasternStandard · 02/11/2024 17:50

1dayatatime · 02/11/2024 17:47

@Zonder

"You'd think she would have a little more sympathy for other people coming here for asylum, wouldn't you?"

She already had a British passport before coming to the UK for her education, so definitely legal and not even an immigrant, just a UK national coming to the UK.

She was born in the U.K., Wimbledon to give a location ;

Locutus2000 · 02/11/2024 17:50

Llhaaf · 02/11/2024 17:48

Off topic, but this thread is making me feel like jam roly-poly.

Oh for crying out loud.

Now I want jam roly-poly.

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Savingthehedgehogs · 02/11/2024 17:50

rainingsnoring · 02/11/2024 17:19

They don't seem to know what her actual policies are at all and there has been a total lack of sharing, despite several people asking repeatedly.

We know what Kemi stands for - she has made that abundantly clear! As for actual policy - she was only appointed a few hours ago give her a chance - jeez.

Zonder · 02/11/2024 17:50

Savingthehedgehogs · 02/11/2024 16:58

No.

As Kemi knows as we all do that we can’t support the women and children already here! They are living in bed sits and in hotels for years on end. We have an acute housing crisis. We simply can not manage over a million arrivals every year fgs!

It is my guess that Kemi will prioritise the people already here, her integration strategies into place and start controlling immigration properly. We all know we are literally at capacity. I agree with her.

Just Kemi, Suella and Rishi were ok to come over here then? Pull up the drawbridge behind you and all that.

Llhaaf · 02/11/2024 17:51

Locutus2000 · 02/11/2024 17:50

Oh for crying out loud.

Now I want jam roly-poly.

It must be the Britishness of it all.

republicofjam · 02/11/2024 17:51

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 02/11/2024 17:37

This Labour government is already so unpopular that I can’t see it doing two terms. I read in the press that a farmer has already commited suicide off the back of the new IHT policy. Once they’ve killed a bunch of farmers and bumped off some old people to the cold they’ll be well on their way to being as popular as Boris post-Covid.

Next!

Edited

Where did you read this?

Locutus2000 · 02/11/2024 17:51

Zonder · 02/11/2024 17:50

Just Kemi, Suella and Rishi were ok to come over here then? Pull up the drawbridge behind you and all that.

Neither Kemi, Suella or Rishi were immigrants to this country.

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Understairscupboard · 02/11/2024 17:52

Llhaaf · 02/11/2024 17:44

My concern is that our youngest workers are currently some of our least productive, with highest levels of unemployment (although I also appreciate many will be students).

However, having worked with younger people, they are more likely to take time off sick etc.

I think that there is some risk that certain groups could take advantage of additional workers rights, at the expense of business. Which is why I mentioned previously that I was quite happy for some rights to not kick in until a set time had passed etc.

I am not against workers rights, but I also think some of the changes look to be bad for business, especially small business and therefore could be bad for the economy.

I guess we will see!

However, having worked with younger people, they are more likely to take time off sick etc.

"According to Office for National Statistics (ONS) data, employees aged 50–64 are most likely to take sick leave, calling in sick 125.9% more than those aged 16–24"

rainingsnoring · 02/11/2024 17:52

EasternStandard · 02/11/2024 17:43

I know but I can't make policies up, she really did explain at one point why she was not putting them forward and she was reasonable and rational imo

I think she is a good candidate who has risen to this position despite many who probably underestimate her as she doesn't fit an established mould

She talks about why she wants to do this which I thought convincing too

Fair enough. At least we can disagree politely! Frankly, I will be thrilled if she does a great job but my instinct is to be very frightened by the direction of both main political parties in the UK.

Locutus2000 · 02/11/2024 17:53

Llhaaf · 02/11/2024 17:44

My concern is that our youngest workers are currently some of our least productive, with highest levels of unemployment (although I also appreciate many will be students).

However, having worked with younger people, they are more likely to take time off sick etc.

I think that there is some risk that certain groups could take advantage of additional workers rights, at the expense of business. Which is why I mentioned previously that I was quite happy for some rights to not kick in until a set time had passed etc.

I am not against workers rights, but I also think some of the changes look to be bad for business, especially small business and therefore could be bad for the economy.

I guess we will see!

Gen Z seem to take a lot less shit in general then we did at their age.

Whether that is good or bad is another matter.

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Savingthehedgehogs · 02/11/2024 17:53

Zonder · 02/11/2024 17:50

Just Kemi, Suella and Rishi were ok to come over here then? Pull up the drawbridge behind you and all that.

Racist post.

They were all born here. They are British. But nice try. I am reporting your posts if you continue.

rainingsnoring · 02/11/2024 17:53

Savingthehedgehogs · 02/11/2024 17:50

We know what Kemi stands for - she has made that abundantly clear! As for actual policy - she was only appointed a few hours ago give her a chance - jeez.

You still haven't been able to explain what she stands for, except that she is anti immigration. They all are, apparently!

EverythingAllatOnceAllTheTime · 02/11/2024 17:54

Savingthehedgehogs · 02/11/2024 17:53

Racist post.

They were all born here. They are British. But nice try. I am reporting your posts if you continue.

Seconded.

PandoraSox · 02/11/2024 17:55

republicofjam · 02/11/2024 17:51

Where did you read this?

I asked @EvangelicalAboutButteredToast that too. If they can't provide a link I think that post should be deleted. Making stuff up about people taking their own lives is a dreadful think to do.

Alexandra2001 · 02/11/2024 17:55

User37482 · 02/11/2024 17:35

I doubt it, she’s been consistently popular with the grassroots tories for a while now. She isn’t there as a token and it’s a crappy thing to say about someone who has just won leadership of her party. Perhaps she earned her place amongst her peers. It’s just racism to assume positive discrimination or tokenism rather than that she won her race fair and square. No party elects a leader other than for the reason that they think a) they are competent b) they can win.

You don’t have to share her political beliefs to think that. The racism aimed at right wing women of colour is vile.

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Racism is vile in all its forms, she has become leader on merit.

But its a shame that so many people on the 'right on MNs have called Angela Rayner a "Diversity Hire"

As far as i can see, all women in politics get hate, its disgraceful.

User37482 · 02/11/2024 17:55

Understairscupboard · 02/11/2024 17:49

No party elects a leader other than for the reason that they think a) they are competent b) they can win.
Are you sure? Six leaders in nine years (including Truss and Johnson)??

Thinking a leader is good doesn’t make them good. And Boris did actually win. Look at corbyn, he was selected because his members thought he was good and could win, he wasn’t and he didn’t.

The point is the members will vote for someone who resonates with them and they think can carry an election. Plenty of leaders haven’t managed it but no-one votes for someone to lose.

Brananan · 02/11/2024 17:56

She doesn't need any policies! Labour didn't have any until getting closer to the GE. She's in opposition, her job is to hold the government to account.

She's got a bloody tough job ahead of her

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 02/11/2024 17:56

PandoraSox · 02/11/2024 17:55

I asked @EvangelicalAboutButteredToast that too. If they can't provide a link I think that post should be deleted. Making stuff up about people taking their own lives is a dreadful think to do.

I can provide a link but I’m making dinner and you are going to have to hang on.

rainingsnoring · 02/11/2024 17:57

Savingthehedgehogs · 02/11/2024 17:53

Racist post.

They were all born here. They are British. But nice try. I am reporting your posts if you continue.

They all benefitted from their family having immigrated the previous generation (think it was the previous generation) but they also don't want others to benefit or have the same advantages that they had. It's not a very pleasant attitude. @Zonder's post makes this point. Stop crying racism.

BIossomtoes · 02/11/2024 17:59

PandoraSox · 02/11/2024 17:55

I asked @EvangelicalAboutButteredToast that too. If they can't provide a link I think that post should be deleted. Making stuff up about people taking their own lives is a dreadful think to do.

It’s on The Sun website. It’s picked up from a post on a farming forum.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/31462864/farmer-suicide-labour-budget/

a group of people standing behind a fence talking to each other

Dad feared to have taken life in panic over Labour tax-grab on farmland

A HARD-working dad was last night feared to have taken his own life in panic after the Labour tax-grab on farmland., The landowner — unable to face his children footing a 20 per cent inheritance ta…

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/31462864/farmer-suicide-labour-budget

User37482 · 02/11/2024 18:00

rainingsnoring · 02/11/2024 17:57

They all benefitted from their family having immigrated the previous generation (think it was the previous generation) but they also don't want others to benefit or have the same advantages that they had. It's not a very pleasant attitude. @Zonder's post makes this point. Stop crying racism.

It’s treating britons of colour like they aren’t actually british, they must always hold themselves to a different standard as white brits they can only care about certain things, they must support other things.

Common sense says you can’t have zero immigration or open borders. The question is at what point do you set the dial. Neither party supports open borders does it?

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