How dumb are Labour

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Just seen this and I swear they keep forgetting they won the election and are in power now
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62m2pde4p6o

The constant gaffes and sixth form debate club politics are very embarrassing. I was ready for change, but fucking hell.

You’ll be fine with that then, small state economics and all that ? Surely a Labour government having to cut spending proves the accusations of Tory incompetence eh ?

Which way do you want it? Cruel Tory austerity or not?

The Tories’ austerity was a necessary (and successful) response to Labour’s profligacy when last in office.

Which do you want Labour profligacy or Labour Austerity? They can’t sensibly means test benefits for oldies but should cut benefits for working scroungers… which is it ?
Do you recall the state the UK was in in 1997 ? How many years of Thatcher government ? Seems to be a pattern here. And I suspect you’re either very young or in a little middle class southern bubble.

And it was hardly sensible when half the country was neglected to the extent they had to ‘level up’ which they didn’t 😂 you people are so funny and lacking in self awareness.

I want no profligacy. We shouldn’t have needed austerity.

I don’t want any benefits cut. I do want action against benefit fraud, but then so does this government: it’s just said so.

I don’t object to the WFA cut. Labour did, a year ago: fucking hypocrites.

I’m not young. I do live in the south. But my family come from and still live in the South Yorkshire coalfields.

I suspect you’re a student at Sussex, who goes home to Brighton at the end of term.

Don’t give a monkeys whether you have family in south Yorks. Big deal 🤷🏻‍♂️
Catch up, Thatcher closed all those coal fields without replacing them with any other form of industry. Blame her and the rest of the slimy tories for allowing half the country to fester.
I didn’t slink off down south btw. Never been to Sussex in my life.
Still think the Tories are better well you’re the hypocrite. Citing your Yorkshire family when the lot you support never gave a crap about up here and were happy to funnel money to Tunbridge wells. Plastic northerner 😂

Oh FFS.

Young.

Old. Mid 50s so f**k that. Just not a bloody hypocrite with my ‘rels in the Yorkshire coal fields’. 40 years too late 😂

So you’re just a spittley ranter?

Yeah obv. 🙄 Got me. So ageist and a snob. Wow.

Ooh, great edit. 🙄

But it wasn’t. Labour wasn’t profligate unless you count bailing out the banks in the aftermath of a global financial crisis that began in the US. Nor was austerity successful unless you categorise 190,000 excess deaths as success. It’s been described as the most destructive policy in modern British history.

https://www.lse.ac.uk/News/Latest-news-from-LSE/2024/f-June-2024/Austerity-spending-cuts-cost-average-person-nearly-half-year-in-life-expectancy

https://tribunemag.co.uk/2023/04/how-austerity-ruined-britain

The response to covid was a bail out we didn’t want, any more than Brown wanted to print money because of US banks’ recklessness.

And if austerity is on principle bad, why is Labour - apparently - going to do the same? If they turn on the public spending taps, fine, so far as it goes. But if they don’t, why aren’t they killing loads of people?

Really? So you must accept you're being rude too then? Or you're really being obtuse!

The poster I was replying to had said to me:

Certain degree of naïveté there I think. It would be hilarious if not so sad. Like toddlers stamping their feet, ‘we demand improvement NOW’. How many chances did you people give the tories ? Year after year.

So I was called naive, sad and a toddler.

I just said “Leaving aside your juvenile insults…”

In what way is that rude or unjustified?

Was describing the behaviour of Tory politicos and their lickspittles in the media an insult?

Eh?

Quite. And to be fair @Rummly you've tried accusing that poster of quite a range of things. My initial reference was to your use of the word hypocrisy but you've added to it. You can hardly point the finger at anyone for being rude now!

But it's because of your non sequiturs that I'm not bothering to respond on another thread.

I’m genuinely perplexed by this.

Your first post about me simply missed the point entirely: I said that Labour was hypocritical, not posters. After I was challenged on that I posted the links that demonstrated (partly) Labour’s rank hypocrisy.

I don’t recall anything about Tory media lickspittles until the odd comment above. I can’t see how that could be relevant anyway.

Any sharp words from me have been because I was responding to attacks on me.

Of course you’ve no need to reply to me on any thread. I don’t expect it. I just pointed out that Labour is leaking and briefing about the budget, and much else. It’s hardly contentious.

I feel utterly betrayed by Labour - I voted for them and now bitterly regret it. I was simply disenfranchised with the Tories, as I suspect many voters were.

It is depressing. Worse still the massive cover re tax rises pre GE and now ramping up doom and pain talk

Pre GE any suggestion taxes would be hiked was lambasted

Now it’s statements on that. Falsehoods and dishonesty

Both main parties engaged in a conspiracy of silence over the state of the public finances. The Conservatives decision to cut NI, which they quite reasonably put up to pay for Social Care, flew in the face of logic.

If Sunak had won there would have had to be either tax increases, cuts or both.

Pure spéculation.

Whilst we won’t need to wait long for Labours true
intentions.

@AlbionLass the expected revenue from taxes was not sufficient to meet the outgoings to which the government was committed.

Would you like me to find some sources to confirm the situation?

If you are able to find credible sources, and have sufficient knowledge, and the ability to debate in good faith, I would be more than happy to.

I struggle to take seriously those who simply post links or regurgitate context without an understanding, but I don’t believe thats applicable to you.