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Trump has said we are on the brink of WW3, aibu to agree with him?

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Whitenoise1 · 01/10/2024 23:16

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/iran-attack-israel-trump-biden-b2622151.html

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GiveMeSpanakopita · 02/10/2024 08:33

Wallaw · 02/10/2024 08:27

Uh, yeah, @GiveMeSpanakopita. You do understand that the withdrawal was negotiated by Mike Pompeo under Trump, right?

See, this is exactly what I meant by sowing discord.

Instead of looking at the bigger picture - the growing instability of the world and the shift from unipolar US hegemony to multipolar Russia-Iran-China - I've got PPs nitpicking on tiny irrelevant gotchas according to their own personal political biases.

This is why so many of us can no longer open our eyes to see what's actually going on on a global level. Social media has shrunk our perspective and locked us in tiny bias-bubbles so tight that it's actually breaking down our ability to think critically and strategically.

Who cares WHO did the actual Afghan fuck-up? My wider point - the growing instability of the world and the shift from unipolar US hegemony to multipolar Russia-Iran-China - is the true issue here.

Llttledrummergirl · 02/10/2024 08:35

If Trump said it, it must be true! HmmConfused

He's an idiot that lies to feel important, I would automatically think the opposite now he's said it.

Llttledrummergirl · 02/10/2024 08:39

@GiveMeSpanakopita you being given facts to teach you that the bollocks you spouted was wrong, is not sowing discord. Completely the opposite in fact.

You regurgitating lies that support a false narrative is what can cause discord. You went from lying, to who cares about truth when it doesn't agree with you.

sashh · 02/10/2024 08:40

GiveMeSpanakopita · 02/10/2024 08:33

See, this is exactly what I meant by sowing discord.

Instead of looking at the bigger picture - the growing instability of the world and the shift from unipolar US hegemony to multipolar Russia-Iran-China - I've got PPs nitpicking on tiny irrelevant gotchas according to their own personal political biases.

This is why so many of us can no longer open our eyes to see what's actually going on on a global level. Social media has shrunk our perspective and locked us in tiny bias-bubbles so tight that it's actually breaking down our ability to think critically and strategically.

Who cares WHO did the actual Afghan fuck-up? My wider point - the growing instability of the world and the shift from unipolar US hegemony to multipolar Russia-Iran-China - is the true issue here.

The bigger picture is that Trump, if he gets in will do his, "I just want them to stop fighting" so he will pull support for Ukraine, Israel and quite possibly NATO.

And yes it DOES matter who did the deal, the deal ignore a government and negotiated with a terrorist organisation, basically handed them a country.

Wallaw · 02/10/2024 08:41

GiveMeSpanakopita · 02/10/2024 08:33

See, this is exactly what I meant by sowing discord.

Instead of looking at the bigger picture - the growing instability of the world and the shift from unipolar US hegemony to multipolar Russia-Iran-China - I've got PPs nitpicking on tiny irrelevant gotchas according to their own personal political biases.

This is why so many of us can no longer open our eyes to see what's actually going on on a global level. Social media has shrunk our perspective and locked us in tiny bias-bubbles so tight that it's actually breaking down our ability to think critically and strategically.

Who cares WHO did the actual Afghan fuck-up? My wider point - the growing instability of the world and the shift from unipolar US hegemony to multipolar Russia-Iran-China - is the true issue here.

If this constitutes your understanding of American foreign policy, it's rather hilarious that you're calling out shrunken perspectives and 'tiny bias bubbles'. I know exactly where you're getting your (mis) and (dis) information, so yeah, I'm calling out your ability to understand any complexities. And it's not nit-picking to point out that in a discussion of various administrations' foreign policy, assigning sole blame to the wrong administration pollutes and weakens your argument.

Like the drunken leaders of the dying USSR, Biden is demented and his role is being done by his family and a military clique, who reputedly do not sing from the same hymnsheet.

ThreeLeafedClover · 02/10/2024 08:41

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 01/10/2024 23:58

"vulnerable" to what, precisely?

A coalition between Russia and Iran.

maddening · 02/10/2024 08:44

TofuTart · 01/10/2024 23:36

YABU. He's a nob.
So are you if you believe anything that comes out of his trap.

This type of argument is shit- personal insults and purity spirals, guilt by association, shutting down debate - this gets no-one anywhere.

Respectisnotoptional · 02/10/2024 08:44

Whitenoise1 · 01/10/2024 23:58

Am I the only one who feels the UK is vulnerable due to supplying weapons to both Ukraine & Israel?

No I agree with you, it gives these hothead countries a valid excuse to retaliate against us. Russia in particular is I think a threat, and they have very long range weapons. We are no longer the country who ruled we the world, we are a tiny vulnerable island and are not strong in our defence.
I truly hope war doesn’t happen but I would say never say never.

thepariscrimefiles · 02/10/2024 08:45

Trump had a good relationship with Putin as he agrees with everything he says and everything he does.

It sounds as though you would like Trump to win the election. As he is an adjudicated rapist and a convicted felon who tried to overturn the result of a free and fair election, that makes your opinion on world affairs not worth listening to.

Ghosttofu99 · 02/10/2024 08:50

jezlifecoach · 01/10/2024 23:37

Please can you tell me what wars were started under Trump as I’m struggling to think of any.

He almost started a civil War if you count that…

Whitenoise1 · 02/10/2024 08:56

GiveMeSpanakopita · 02/10/2024 08:33

See, this is exactly what I meant by sowing discord.

Instead of looking at the bigger picture - the growing instability of the world and the shift from unipolar US hegemony to multipolar Russia-Iran-China - I've got PPs nitpicking on tiny irrelevant gotchas according to their own personal political biases.

This is why so many of us can no longer open our eyes to see what's actually going on on a global level. Social media has shrunk our perspective and locked us in tiny bias-bubbles so tight that it's actually breaking down our ability to think critically and strategically.

Who cares WHO did the actual Afghan fuck-up? My wider point - the growing instability of the world and the shift from unipolar US hegemony to multipolar Russia-Iran-China - is the true issue here.

Exactly! On a global scale at the moment we have Ukraine /Russia, the Middle East & also the threat of China & Taiwan..
This "I'm alright mate" attitude is so flippant.
All those counteries are intertwined & are divided into allies.. China, Russia, Iran are in bed together... Israel, U. S, U. K, Ukraine, France & Germany are pretty much an alliance... India seems to be on the fence..
Anything can happen & we cannot be blindsided..

Terrorist attacks are getting so common in Europe, some smaller ones go unreported in the UK press or are referred to as isolated incidents or "lone wolf" attacks... How many lone wolves make a pack?

Supply & fuel hikes will sky rocket which will directly affect every one of us.

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Wallaw · 02/10/2024 08:59

Whitenoise1 · 02/10/2024 08:56

Exactly! On a global scale at the moment we have Ukraine /Russia, the Middle East & also the threat of China & Taiwan..
This "I'm alright mate" attitude is so flippant.
All those counteries are intertwined & are divided into allies.. China, Russia, Iran are in bed together... Israel, U. S, U. K, Ukraine, France & Germany are pretty much an alliance... India seems to be on the fence..
Anything can happen & we cannot be blindsided..

Terrorist attacks are getting so common in Europe, some smaller ones go unreported in the UK press or are referred to as isolated incidents or "lone wolf" attacks... How many lone wolves make a pack?

Supply & fuel hikes will sky rocket which will directly affect every one of us.

But Trump's foreign policy is the absolute definition of 'I'm all right mate'.

Notonthestairs · 02/10/2024 08:59

"He almost started a civil War if you count that…"

And gives no sign of respecting any outcome that doesn't declare him winner in November.
Not to mention Vance saying that he would not have certified the last presidential election.

Whitenoise1 · 02/10/2024 09:07

Wallaw · 02/10/2024 08:59

But Trump's foreign policy is the absolute definition of 'I'm all right mate'.

But do you not think if the US pulls funding & military from Ukraine & the Middle East these wars cannot continue? Why are the UK giving weapons? Why have France given military aid to Israel this morning?

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OrdsallChord · 02/10/2024 09:09

Respectisnotoptional · 02/10/2024 08:44

No I agree with you, it gives these hothead countries a valid excuse to retaliate against us. Russia in particular is I think a threat, and they have very long range weapons. We are no longer the country who ruled we the world, we are a tiny vulnerable island and are not strong in our defence.
I truly hope war doesn’t happen but I would say never say never.

Russia isn't remotely a threat. There's been nearly 3 years of us and various other Western countries clearly supplying Ukraine, and they've done nothing other than bluster. Because they know they can do fuck all. They're not even in control of all their own territory at the moment.

It's not WW3 that's the likely issue, its further economic problems due to interference with the coat of oil.

Alectoishome · 02/10/2024 09:11

iwishihadknownmore · 02/10/2024 08:01

@GiveMeSpanakopita

The world has always been an uncertain place, iron curtain, invasions of eastern europe by the Soviets in the 50s and 60s, Cuba, mass formations of armour facing each other across the plains of Germany.
Constant wars in the ME, far far worse than what we see now, such as Iran/Iraq which saw millions die, Israel attacked by its neighbours - Jordan, Syria and Egypt...

China needs trade to keep its population happy, war will do the exact opposite.

Russia cannot even defeat a small nation like Ukraine, has to beg borrow weapons from Iran and NK, it would face defeat if it attacked a nato state, even without the USA.

Iran has plenty of old 70s style weapons which are ineffective now.

You say Biden is demented? have ever listened to Trump? the world will be a better place if he is defeated in November and a far worse place if he is not.

But Biden is actually demented though? Literally. He is completely senile and has been for years. You can't possibly be questioning that? Whoever has been governing the US the last few years I dont know exactly, a group of high ranking gov and military officials I suppose, but its certainly not Joe Biden. The man hardly knows his own name.

Whitenoise1 · 02/10/2024 09:11

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/danish-police-investigate-two-blasts-near-israels-embassy-copenhagen-2024-10-02/

As mentioned above regarding terrorist attacks, there has been two blasts near the Israeli embassy in Copenhagen this morning.

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EasternStandard · 02/10/2024 09:11

Whitenoise1 · 02/10/2024 09:07

But do you not think if the US pulls funding & military from Ukraine & the Middle East these wars cannot continue? Why are the UK giving weapons? Why have France given military aid to Israel this morning?

What will happen to Israel if it does not get support?

Whitenoise1 · 02/10/2024 09:13

EasternStandard · 02/10/2024 09:11

What will happen to Israel if it does not get support?

I have no idea I am not a politician.

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Wallaw · 02/10/2024 09:14

Whitenoise1 · 02/10/2024 09:07

But do you not think if the US pulls funding & military from Ukraine & the Middle East these wars cannot continue? Why are the UK giving weapons? Why have France given military aid to Israel this morning?

There's plenty of money in the middle east for the wars to continue, although the outcome might not be one that the US perceives to be in their interests.

You could pull funding from Ukraine, provided you don't mind Russia advancing into Poland, for a start, likely with Chinese backing.

And then there's this
https://carnegieendowment.org/research/2021/03/russia-in-the-arctica-critical-examination?lang=en

Frankly, climate change is a much more pressing danger than WWIII

Russia in the Arctic—A Critical Examination

Russia has big Arctic plans, but how they will be realized is uncertain. For the United States this will likely mean the return to a Cold War–like environment rather than a new chapter in great-power competition in the Arctic.

https://carnegieendowment.org/research/2021/03/russia-in-the-arctica-critical-examination?lang=en

Wallaw · 02/10/2024 09:15

Alectoishome · 02/10/2024 09:11

But Biden is actually demented though? Literally. He is completely senile and has been for years. You can't possibly be questioning that? Whoever has been governing the US the last few years I dont know exactly, a group of high ranking gov and military officials I suppose, but its certainly not Joe Biden. The man hardly knows his own name.

Oh, please.

EasternStandard · 02/10/2024 09:15

Whitenoise1 · 02/10/2024 09:13

I have no idea I am not a politician.

I don’t think you need to be a politician

Just think it through. There’s a reason Israel need support to exist, unless you’re ok with them not

iwishihadknownmore · 02/10/2024 09:17

Alectoishome · 02/10/2024 09:11

But Biden is actually demented though? Literally. He is completely senile and has been for years. You can't possibly be questioning that? Whoever has been governing the US the last few years I dont know exactly, a group of high ranking gov and military officials I suppose, but its certainly not Joe Biden. The man hardly knows his own name.

He is certainly showing signs of some sort of mental impairment.... as is Donald Trump, entirely expected as you go into one 80s.

Trump rambles, forgets where he is, who he is talking too, former aides of his, say that he is insane.

At least Biden had the insight into his condition to withdraw, Trump still thinks he is perfectly ok.

Which is why we need Harris in charge, not Trump, who would certainly be succeeded by Vance, who is appears to be very extreme in his views, is that get get elected? who knows? but its not a chance the US should take.

Whitenoise1 · 02/10/2024 09:18

Wallaw · 02/10/2024 09:14

There's plenty of money in the middle east for the wars to continue, although the outcome might not be one that the US perceives to be in their interests.

You could pull funding from Ukraine, provided you don't mind Russia advancing into Poland, for a start, likely with Chinese backing.

And then there's this
https://carnegieendowment.org/research/2021/03/russia-in-the-arctica-critical-examination?lang=en

Frankly, climate change is a much more pressing danger than WWIII

All these western countries are banging on about climate change but surely these wars are absolutely disastrous for our planet..

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Whitenoise1 · 02/10/2024 09:18

EasternStandard · 02/10/2024 09:15

I don’t think you need to be a politician

Just think it through. There’s a reason Israel need support to exist, unless you’re ok with them not

I'm not OK with wars.

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