Trump has said we are on the brink of WW3, aibu to agree with him?

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/iran-attack-israel-trump-biden-b2622151.html

Further to my last comment. I would add that from the Iranian perspective, now is the perfect time to be starting something.

Between 1945 and 2008, the US acted as the police force of the world. It was dragged rather reluctantly into this role (because for most of its history the US has been protectionist and inward-looking) but did the job fairly well leading to decades of relative global stability.

Obama return the US to its more protectionist and inward looking foreign policy. Trump changed this up a bit, in that he sought to use an iron fist in velvet glove style of diplomacy (or threats, depending on your perspective) rather than force to keep global peace, with mixed but on the whole temporarily positive results. Biden returned to the Obama-style protectionist foreign policy, but did so very clumsily (see: Afghanistan), leading to further ME instability.

Ever get the sense that the world is generally less stable than it was in the 2000s? Yeah, there's a reason for that.

Now, from the POV of Iran Russia and China, the American policeman is asleep at the helm. Like the drunken leaders of the dying USSR, Biden is demented and his role is being done by his family and a military clique, who reputedly do not sing from the same hymnsheet. So now's a great time for the new multipolar superpower of Iran, China and Russia to be starting military shit - which they all are.

Couple this with widespread online disinformation and sowing of discord amongst the once culturlaly stable nations of Western Europe, and I believe our children and certainly our grandchildren will live in a time of declining wealth, greater poverty and war for resources. This has already begun, as we all know if we open our eyes and look around.

Personally I got my kids learning Mandarin and Arabic 8 years ago. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em and we all need to look after our own.

Agree. There is so much resentment towards the west & there is a lot of radicalisation happening throughout Europe so I feel very vulnerable at the thoughts of increased terrorist attacks & suicide bombers.

Also the probable fuel hikes will affect how we heat our homes in the winter, petrol or the car, increased air fares etc...

People will disagree only because you used the word Trump in your post.

People are stupid. So stupid they think it's a good idea we all engage in a proxy war with nuclear Superpower.

Yes, we are treading on very dangerous ground.

We'll be a lot closer to WW3 if Trump is voted back in

Of course I don't want it. I'm just pointing out logistics. Yes I'm in the UK.

Excellent post & I do agree with you.

@GiveMeSpanakopita

The world has always been an uncertain place, iron curtain, invasions of eastern europe by the Soviets in the 50s and 60s, Cuba, mass formations of armour facing each other across the plains of Germany.
Constant wars in the ME, far far worse than what we see now, such as Iran/Iraq which saw millions die, Israel attacked by its neighbours - Jordan, Syria and Egypt...

China needs trade to keep its population happy, war will do the exact opposite.

Russia cannot even defeat a small nation like Ukraine, has to beg borrow weapons from Iran and NK, it would face defeat if it attacked a nato state, even without the USA.

Iran has plenty of old 70s style weapons which are ineffective now.

You say Biden is demented? have ever listened to Trump? the world will be a better place if he is defeated in November and a far worse place if he is not.

Wondering what the point of this response is? We're not sliding into a big event across the Middle East because Trump is an idiot and your parents lived through WW2? It's a shame you aren't on the BatPhone to Benjamin Netanyahu. The problem would be solved in an instant. 😂

that’s not the same as ww3, though?

Yes, I wouldn’t be surprised if those affected by UK supplying arms that’s used on their countries ‘sought revenge’ in the UK. The supply of arms has repercussions. Many incidents of terrorism have resulted from similar.

France has announced this morning they are sending military supplies to Israel..

My fear is if Trump gets in he'll start WW3.

His rhetoric is not helpful. It's a very complex situation that needs diplomacy - of which he is devoid.

we do provide Israel with weapons as do the USA

The U.K. and US were directly involved in defending Israel last night as well.

And then? What is your suggestion

Not ww3, but a serious conflict in the Middle East which could have worldwide consequences.

Oil prices could shoot up, and we still use a lot of oil, plus the very real prospect of terrorist activity.

As a former president, instead of adding his voice to the ceasefire demands or whatever he thinks will help the situations, he chooses to stoke the fire of panic?

You don't seem to have a very deep understanding of US-Russia relations, OP. If you're interested in deepening your understanding, I hight recommend the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a bipartisan, non-profit policy think tank, as an excellent resource.

www.csis.org/

He's electioneering. Going to say whatever he thinks is most likely to get people to vote for him.

I'm not suggesting anything, I'm not a politician. I'm merely stating a fact! More information here.

https://www.reuters.com/world/frances-macron-condemns-irans-attacks-israel-2024-10-02/

Oh yeah, man. Oil prices.

We don't just use 'quite a lot' of oil - our entire way of life is dependent on it. Importing the food and goods we rely on, our energy networks, real infrastructure, businesses, food, healthcare...

The 2022 cost of living crisis was caused by commodity prices spiking in response to Ukraine invasion. If the ME goes up in flames, what'll happen to oil prices will make that so called 'cost of living crisis' look like a five-star stay in the Maldives.

A lot of western european countries and US will suffer big time. Germany in particular will be cooked.

Yes the prices spiked & never came back down to the pre Ukraine war prices.. Air fares will also soar.

You blame Biden for Afghanistan?

The Trump administration did a deal with the Taliban, they excluded the actual Afghan government and signed a deal telling the government to release 5000 Taliban prisoners.

Yanbu
I did not vote for the UK support this war.

Uh, yeah, @GiveMeSpanakopita. You do understand that the withdrawal was negotiated by Mike Pompeo under Trump, right?

If neighbours were fighting in the street and you loaned your baseball bat to one of them, would the person who got hit consider you their enemy?
The West is generating enemies far faster than it is training armies or manufacturing munitions.
I don't know if we are on the brink, but WW3 isn't getting less likely by the day.

In the 1980s my very close friend was a submariner on one of our nuclear subs.
In that 10 year time span that sub went to red alert 8 times.
why do you think the enemy backed off.