Labour

[EverythingAllatOnceAllTheTime]

No questions the Tories were bad, but Labour are on another level.

Are you still happy you voted them in? Be honest now, you are having your doubts aren’t you?

If not, you really should be.

Hell yes. It's so bloody refreshing to hear ministers on the radio who can string sentences together, don't resort to patriotic slogans and clichés, and who are actually going to put into action policies that will ultimately help the country.

There was a slogan and they keep repeating it.

I knew labour would be bad but I am so shocked at how bad and how quick it has gone down hill! If what they say was true and they found this black hole as if you would give the train drivers the ridiculous pay rise and even worse commit to giving 11 billion to climate foreign aid but take our own pensioners winter fuel allowance! That alone should disgust every person here! There will be our own pensioners who have done the right thing their whole lives worked and paid who will die cold this winter and that will be completely the responsibility of this government!

Really? They use loads of slogans

plus his reaction to the riots was unbelievable! Yes the people acting like thugs should be punished but to not have any understanding of how the country is feeling and branding everyone has far right racists is not how a prime minister should react. He should of tried to calm tensions say he understands people’s fears and they will make sure that the person responsible gets the heavy hand of the law but no he dismissed everyone under the same brush as the thugs and disregarded people’s genuine grief worry and anger. Was not born to lead at all! This next few years will be a disaster

The early release scheme was in place long before Labour came to power. Nobody blinked when the Conservatives were releasing prisoners early, but suddenly were being governed by the devil!

This hysteria and hypocrisy makes me sick to my stomach. For 14 years we’ve had the most vulnerable people in our society systematically destroyed by the previous government. The middle classes didn’t give a shiny shite about children or disabled people living in extreme poverty. Suddenly they think they might be a few quid worse off and the world is ending!

Why didn’t they think the Tories were evil when the homeless numbers shot up? Or when disabled people died from the effects of benefits sanctions because they were too ill to return to work when they were being forced?

Completely agree.

The Tories released certain prisoners after 50% of their sentence. This was fine but labour reducing it to 40% is suddenly a completely unacceptable nightmare?

He used the phrase right wing thugs after attacks on migrant hotels.

What would you call them? Left wing saints?

Very very supported these people, they weren't protesting, they were just a violent mob.

Given the state of roads, health, education etc etc the last 14 years really have been a disaster.

The OP seems to have done a runner lol!!

And TV cameras there so that the antics of the jubilant releasees get seen far and wide!!

Refreshing is one thing this govt is not.

Just to be clear, the Tories stripped benefits from the disabled and social services and cut funding to every public service they could, decimating much support available in the community, gave their mates (or wives) contracts worth billions for shoddy return in some of the most blatant corruption ever, instigated a scheme for deporting immigrants that is not only inhumane but more expensive than just processing them through the proper channels (and included the condition that we took one immigrant back for every one we sent, begging the question what was the point), lied to Parliament, broke their own covid regulations while prosecuting others, and failed to build schools or prisons resulting directly in the outcome we see today... but for you, the worst, the far worst thing is the suggestion that WFA, like most benefits, is means tested?
You are giving Labour a much higher bar to pass that you are giving the Tories

No I don't think that at all.

I have plenty of criticism about Labour. I think Reeves has made a mess of the WFA, for a start.

There are posters on MN who are not quite what they seem (note: I am not accusing anyone on this thread). We saw it during Covid, for example. We saw it when the war in Ukraine broke out. We saw it during the run up to the GE. It continues. Everyone knows SM is used in shady ways by shady operators.

Very curious to know why EverythingAllatOnceAllTheTime's posts were deleted!

It was a personal attack.

@EasternStandard - in answer to your question, I meant Starmer is quite conservative with a small “c”. Not the self serving version of Tory we recently had.

Like, back to work anti fat cats kind of “c”. Hard work/sweat will be rewarded, not the rest kind of “c”. I also think he does genuinely want to take on the corruption across the “system” which is endemic. Whether he can succeed is a separate matter.

So do you and others mean you don't think this about the op?

Maybe posters should just be clear about who they mean as I see similar comments re 'HQ' etc on nearly every thread from pro Labour posters

I look at other general media and think it's somewhat ridiculous mn is so skewed that criticism is seen that way when pretty much everywhere else is talking about Labour and Starmer bluntly

As for the deletion I have no idea. I saw it briefly and something about US £ rate

I'd not heard of it so looked it up and it seems correct

'The term 'cable' refers to the GBP/USD currency pair, representing the exchange rate between the British pound and the US dollar. ‍'

One of my posts got deleted for the first time recently. It seems a poster reporting you is enough now?

He used the phrase right wing thugs after attacks on migrant hotels.

There is a narrative among far-right online posters that emerged shortly after the riots, which is that those rioting were not "far-right" at all, or indeed rioting, but merely concerned citizens who had been pushed to the brink by successive governments not listening to their entirely reasonable concern about immigration, engaging in legitimate protest that might occasionally have got out of hand, but that was entirely due to police provocation. (The denial of agency is interesting there, too.)

When you ask these people what they would consider far-right, it turns out that if there's no swastika armbands or goose-stepping, it's all just patriotic fervour. I've seen this across several social media platforms. Almost as if the party line is being coordinated somehow.

So what you mean is people that don't agree with you aren't real posters and are bots, so we aren't quite what we seem. I have reported a few of these posts in the past for troll hunting.

What worries me are :

1. Deliberate misinformation- for example describing how the Tories had left them a £22 billion budget black hole and not mentioning the fact that £9 billion of this was from a Labour decision to grant above inflation wage rises to junior doctors and civil servants. Now I don't mind junior doctors getting more money but just don't lie about the £22 billion black hole.

Describing VAT on private school fees as closing a tax loophole for the rich. When the reality is that the rich pay taxes for a state education place that they choose not to take and instead pay again for a private school place. The tax payers actually benefit from this and it's most definitely not a loophole.

2. Ill thought through policies- the WFA for example creates a cliff edge in payments whereas it would have been simpler to just make it a taxable benefit.

Any raid on private pensions will simply discourage people from paying into them creating greater reliance on the state.

I think you need to read my post more carefully. If you think it equates to troll hunting, report to MNHQ.

What did you mean by 'busted'?

And pp going on about HQ but as usual it's a general attack implying someone is, they should just front up and say who.

This is a good list

I'd say their big one will be economic growth, without it they'll be very hard pressed to do much at all other than tax and cut spending

"the Tories had left them a £22 billion budget black hole and not mentioning the fact that £9 billion of this was from a Labour decision to grant above inflation wage rises to junior doctors and civil servants."

Although (according to Times political editor) if the Conservatives had been re-elected they would have had to find up to £7billion for pay increases.
That £7 billion was unbudgeted.

There's a row over whether the £22bn blackhole figure used by Reeves is fair, given £9.4bn is from Lab gov's decision to implement public sector pay recommendations

Useful context: Under Hunt, HMT thought it would have to spend up to £7bn on pay rises..

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Yes dear.