Labour

[EverythingAllatOnceAllTheTime]

No questions the Tories were bad, but Labour are on another level.

Are you still happy you voted them in? Be honest now, you are having your doubts aren’t you?

If not, you really should be.

They promised honestly, transparency a different government and now refuse to explain their £22b hole in more detail. So much for tra spares you, what are you hiding ...

Ugh at 'dear'

Save it for your own lot, nowt to do with me.

The Tories gave the pay review bodies the terms of reference for pay rises for teachers nurses and armed forces, are you saying Labour should have ignored and not paid them?
What does striking junior docs do for the NHS? let alone more strikes by teachers and nurses?

Hunt never budgeted for any of this or even the Blood & PO scandals.

He also never funded his NI cuts, other than with nom dom changes, which are self defeating and wont raise much at all.

The wealthy indeed any tax payer often pays for things they don't always use, so some people would totally disagree with you on VAT and school fees.
Time will tell if its a good policy or not, Labour should have published their workings on this.

WPA i do agree with you on, Lab may well have just built in a 2029 GE defeat/much reduced majority with this idiocy.

Raid on Pension funds? just scaremongering, you ve zero evidence that will happen.

Labour are getting slack today about not doing a full impact assessment on the WFA withdrawal.
They should do a full impact assessment on VAT on private schools.
It is like the non dom - may not make any money at all! We do need to know. It is terrible policy making otherwise.

We do need to remember that the Manifesto pledge was “fully funded, fully costed”. That surely overrides?

They should do a full impact assessment on VAT on private schools.

Won't anyone think of the loaded?!

Useful post. Thank you.

It is children you are taking about here and in particular, children with SEN!

Also applies to the American capitol riots. I'm very about the motivation of those who downgrade a riot where people were killed to "a protest".

Yeah cos every single one of those children affected by the VAT has SEND. By the way it's SEND not SEN.

In our county there are so few children with SEND in private schools because many of the PS try to avoid them. Especially if they have an EHCP.

Was the impact assessment about the cuts to Universal Credit ever published? I know Sunak was prevaricating in the face of court orders, in fact there was some speculation that he called the GE to get out of having to publish it.

Don't remember the anti-WFA cut posters being up in arms about that, and the people on UC are trying to live on considerably less than pensioners.

Yep, many private schools actively avoid SEND as it will bring their results down.

This bollocks about the philanthropy of private schools annoys me. They are businesses providing a service to the wealthy. I don't see why they deserve tax breaks, when we clearly as a nation can't afford it.

Absolutely.

Many private schools don't have any mobility access so that would cut out some SEND kids going anyway.

“Was the impact assessment about the cuts to Universal Credit ever published? I know Sunak was prevaricating in the face of court orders, in fact there was some speculation that he called the GE to get out of having to publish it.”

Pleased to see you are admitting that Starmer is no better than Sunak then @CassieMaddox !

Provision for children with additional needs is something I really wish/hope Labour will invest in. I have a child with SEN and as he gets older I get more worried about him

Hardly! Starmer hasn't been court ordered to publish something and refused.

I assume your reply means it never did get published.

I just think it's horrible to target ANY children. Some children with SEND will be affected. Some without. Why is that ok? Targeting kids because of their parents financial situation is fucking ugly politics. Nasty populist bollocks.

Leave kids out of it and properly tax the uber rich, the corporations cutting deals with HMRC every day of the week and the energy companies who have much more of a say in pushing pensioners into fuel poverty than the government. So many better ways of raising far more revenue than the divisive VAT on school fees policy.

Watch this space for VAT on private dentistry..... and healthcare and other forms of education.

@CassieMaddox - why would I know? Why do you assume I would care about what the Tories did or did not do to that level of detail? This lot was meant to be better, at least morally speaking.

WFA - right wing conceptually if you pay richer pensioners to keep them happy and buy their vote. Left wing if you protect the more vulnerable pensioners who do actually need it. The threshold has been set too low! It does not make economic sense to set it higher because apparently that will cost too much cash to police.

VAT on private school fees - it is essentially the same argument. You can tax the rich extra notionally, but the kids and parents you are throwing under the bus are exactly the same as the poorer pensioners. Those whose parents can barely afford the fees and have children with disabilities. That includes disabilities like ASD and ADHD, we know there has been a massive increase in those and that many are in PS. It is ableism to not do a full impact assessment first. As we are talking about children here, it is shocking that anyone would think doing this in the middle of a school year is acceptable!

I also personally think it is unlawful to not accept diagnoses by private providers who are perfectly well qualified! I hope the High Court agrees! You cannot gatekeeper rights to this level, especially if it is children we are talking about.

Parents who can just about afford PS for their children, are not struggling by any means.
How many children with genuine special needs are in the private sector because of no local state provision? with financially strapped parents?

Surely the solution is to improve special needs provision in the state sector?

Same with WPA, reduce unit and standing charges for normal people & introducing higher unit prices for heavy users, then no one needs extra help.

“How many children with genuine special needs?”

@iwishihadknownmore - and here we have it, in black and white!

What is “GENUIINE” special needs, please enlighten us!!!

“Same with WPA, reduce unit and standing charges for normal people & introducing higher unit prices for heavy users, then no one needs extra help.“

Heavy users often includes people with disabilities requiring EQUIPMENT overnight. It also includes larger households! What a pile of tosh.

What % of children classed as SEN in PS have got a diagnosis? compared to the state sector?

Ha ha the extra energy consumption of medical equipment is very small and wouldn't be classed as a heavy user, anymore than an elderly person who uses an electric fire everyday wouldn't be.

Are you seriously saying that wealthier people with swimming pools and outdoor saunas etc shouldn't pay more so the less well off and those who actually do need extra energy for medical appliances shouldn't get cheaper energy?

Differing tariffs for different classes of user would be a good way of helping those in need, same as car duties are different for more polluting cars.

Because some posters are obsessed with the tories. So they think we all are. It’s almost like they secretly covet being a rich happy Tory. ;)