Labour

[EverythingAllatOnceAllTheTime]

No questions the Tories were bad, but Labour are on another level.

Are you still happy you voted them in? Be honest now, you are having your doubts aren’t you?

If not, you really should be.

The capital flight happens if they do not turn the country around - capital chases future potential. So it is not just a question of taxation burden but confidence in the market. And it is also a question of what is happening in other countries and if there are better prospects elsewhere or not (somewhat beyond the control of the Government). Think of it as turning the Titanic around to avoid the iceberg. Can they do it? They absolutely need to.

What is also crucial is getting inactivity amongst the young up and nurturing the next generation. The most successful countries in the Nordic/Switzerland etc are putting in that investment due to demographic changes. They know how important it is to educate and nurture the younger generation given how demographics are going. We are still in denial.

With our right slanting MSM the headlines are always going to be stacked against him in a way they weren't for the Tories.

It's not a case of being scared of headlines. It's realism that these unfactual headlines feed a whole load of people who then declare all kinds of things about the PM.

The capital flight happens if they do not turn the country around

Fascinating. So unless they change the country (from how it was under Tories)rich people will leave? Rich people who didn't leave before the election when the country was pre this change you want?

Hmm I wonder why they didn't leave then 🤔

Ah yes that one, the press refrained from attacking the last gov for profit. The DM barely mentioned party gate. That old myth really has to go by now.

And the mean right wing press like The Guardian.

If they promise stuff and fail pretty much everyone will have a go.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/sep/18/keir-starmer-100000-in-tickets-and-gifts-more-than-any-other-recent-party-leader

@Zonder

I don’t really know what you mean by “rich” people @Zonder.

We know for a fact that the non dom changes, introduced by the Tories recently, will lead to some non doms leaving. We also know that there are some really rich people from the US, for example, where the changes may be neutral. We also know that if they actually do implement a 10 year inheritance tax then they will all likely leave potentially or structure around it. Nobody very rich is going to be paying 40% inheritance tax into the billions if there are umpteenth other successful jurisdictions where you don’t need to do that. There is also a loyalty element there - an international tycoon from Asia is typically not going to want his legacy to go to the UK.
https://www.blickrothenberg.com/insights/detail/non-domicile-changes-the-impact-for-americans-in-the-uk/

When I talk about “flight” I am actually most concerned about young successful people with good career prospect leaving, like doctors and bankers and lawyers because we do actually need them. So the young 30 something with a great job in London paying 45% tax put no inheritance so cannot actually afford to buy, whereas if they go to Australia or Dubai they may have more income to keep for themselves. That is the demographic I am most concerned about leaving.

How many 30 yr old junior doctors do you think are paying 45% tax? they don't earn enough even with the recent pay rise - they go to Australia/NZ for higher pay/ better working conditions - not for lower taxes

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”How many 30 yr old junior doctors do you think are paying 45% tax? they don't earn enough even with the recent pay rise - they go to Australia/NZ for higher pay/ better working conditions - not for lower taxes”

It is all the same thing. The person just sees what they get at the end of the month and what lifestyle/work life balance they can afford in different countries offering them a job.

Why would they be more likely to leave now than before the GE?

@PandoraSox - it is the whole sinking ship thing. You leave if the ship thinks further and your future prospects become gradually worse.
Not all of us are partisan you know.

In that case you must be delighted that Labour have managed to negotiate a deal with the junior doctors. Good news eh?

The ship was pretty sunk before the election. Most people seem to think it is in better hands now except for a few voices on here.

Really?

Have you read commentary not on mn?

Really?

Do you know what a biased sample is?

You know is bad when it is in The Guardian. They are preparing him for bed. They used him to get to power and the radicals can now jump in.

Wardrobegate can’t help but laugh on the gullible with their full of integrity PM.

Yes thanks.

Yes @zonder - I am happy the junior doctors are going to get paid more.

I was very much hoping we would be in better hands now. Not so sure so far. Like many people! It’s early days but I am anti Brexit, of course, I am anti scrapping WFA and anti tax on education. I voted Lib Dem as most of the policies align with my thinking although not sure they wouldn’t screw up the economy even more.
There is what you believe in, and then there is economic reality.

Here's another recent headline he might not like

'Sharp dip in public backing for Starmer and Reeves, poll shows'

It'll be good to come back to it after the October budget and the freebie stuff

I'd say sticking to these threads on mn thinking only a 'few voices' are criticising Labour is pretty much ignoring a huge chunk of stuff yes

Sorry but this doesn't make a lot of sense wrt to my question

Being non-partisan, the Labour-critical
newsflow appears to be coming thick and fast now. Just look at the Sue Gray story.

I hope that they have a strategy to manage it all.

It is not the case a 'few voices' are criticising Labour

If that is the view then I would say people are skipping many voices.

I do not understand how anyone can possible deny, regardless of politics, that we have an issue with retention? Retaining good teachers, doctors, successful young people etc. Why deny it and not try and turn it around as a priority? Absolutely madness.
I mean Starmer does not need to go even more extreme on the non dom stuff either. What the Tories did was bad enough. It is like a trap.
Whatever policies they do come up with should all be to do with investing in our people and our future. Taxing education, for example, is in direct contravention of that.

I disagree.

One only has to read the BBC, Guardian and FT to see that the tide might be turning. Please heed the comments.

Do the comments say the ship hadn't sunk under the Tories?

Of course there will be comments against labour - all the headlines are fluffing up adding a load of rubbish to stories