Labour

[EverythingAllatOnceAllTheTime]

No questions the Tories were bad, but Labour are on another level.

Are you still happy you voted them in? Be honest now, you are having your doubts aren’t you?

If not, you really should be.

Exactly it's a myth that has been repeated on this thread.

I look at posts happy people are leaving and think it's madness. Those who are still here will pick up the tax burden and face more 'pain' and 'difficult decisions'

“Its just tired speculation, i note the same efforts are not put into what Labour might do to the NHS.”

If Labour screw Financial Services then forget the NHS. Isn’t that obvious? Do any of you actually bother to look into where our tax receipts come from?!

Ah yet more negativity and speculation.

The posters who came up with all of this aren't on the thread anymore.

Like i said if there was no or little capital flight after Truss & the highest taxes since WW2, why would there be now?

Its about discrediting Labour, as the 'right always does.

Yes it's a good idea to think about tax receipts not just spending when there isn't the room to spend more

Its interesting isn't it. Lots of people are highly mobile and move around the globe, settling in different countries. I think that's healthy.

Others seem to think we simultaneously have too many coming in and too many leaving.

I'm not sure "capital flight" is a huge risk in a globalised economy. Many of the mega rich don't keep their capital in the UK anyway.

E.g
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/reform-uks-richard-tice-piled-33441470.amp

I know you are incredibly defensive over Labour but they are in power and will get criticism over their decisions.

From all angles including my new favourites at The Guardian.

They need growth as promised otherwise no more spending - that's just the reality despite these threads.

IF IF IF..... meanwhile the Tories gave us the highest tax burden in 75 years AND wrecked the NHS.

Quite a trick!

FS services? London is still top 3 FS centres in the world, how exactly is Labour going to screw London? any evidence or more baseless speculation.

Very good point @CassieMaddox - we have somehow survived the exodus of Brexit. I think we will survive any who wish to leave because of Labour. Especially the fake ones.

And no mention of the 2 small positive but important things that were announced yesterday - stopping protests outside abortion clinics and ASLEF confirming an end to the strikes

Just obsessing over the same issues over and over again

Yes you ve hit the nail on the head "they will get criticised for their decisions"

Quite right too, so can you point me to the decisions they made on direct tax, spending, single persons CT discount, IHT, CGT, pay per mile or any of the many other things they have "done"

Or is it all the results of ever more imaginative minds?

Actually iwish that is another great point. I think there is a correlation between people who vote for Brexit and people who are concerned about "capital flight". Brexit ensured UK went from #1 in financial services to #3, yet we can't talk about that. Price worth paying for "sovereignty" apparently. But enough tax to keep public services going isn't.

Sometimes the elitism inherent in the movement is obvious.

Exactly - so much easier to move the money than uproot oneself and move lock stock and barrel to another country with all the inconvenience involved

Yes and no great concern over Truss, still affecting govt borrowing costs and DC pensions.
Gilt yields ie long term borrowing costs, still higher than many of our competitors, anything Reeves does to reduce this, will pour billions into Govt coffers.

Though to be fair to @EasternStandard unless i ve mistaken her for another poster, she didn't vote for Brexit.

Is there? Who exactly can you say which poster?

I voted remain and suggested Labour do something with the EU pre GE it would be one thing that gave a decent financial bump.

I had some equally mad posts about it being a 'trap'. If Labour had done it they likely would have a better time. They and their decriers can repent at leisure.

You must be delighted that KS is working on improving relationships with the EU then.

Pre GE, Labour would have been mad to have said they will re join the SM, the media would have screamed "anti democratic/brexit betrayed etc etc" we all know that would have happened.

This is why the Tories goaded Labour into saying Brexit was a mistake.

Post GE Labour need to work with the EU and change the restrictive agreement the Tories negotiated.

SM membership is a win win but its many years away, if at all, would the EU want another country like Switzerland to deal with?

Your line is vague.

I'm watching what is being said with actual detail.

If they had a leader with vision who could have sold it in pre GE they may have got my vote. Blair I reckon could have done it listening to his views on this. It would have taken a personality transplant for the party though.

Starmer has had headlines from various 'papers accusing him of "Betraying Brexit" just for going to see some EU leaders since becoming PM.

The Tories gave us Brexit and are at the root of all of the UKs diminished trade with the EU with their ill thought out trade deal.

Less trade, less tax, less jobs and less productivity.

But i'm not entirely sure Starmer realises that closer co op means ECJ over sight.

If he's scared of headlines he's probably in the wrong job.

Are you serious??

According to this post it was fear of headlines.

the media would have screamed "anti democratic/brexit betrayed etc etc"

Ask them if 'they are serious??'

I could just about understand the capital flight hyperbole if some sort of radical left wing Government had been voted in (I wish!).But Starmer is barely left of centre. Same applies to Reeves.

Perhaps you missed the post directly above yours. It's quite relevant.

Perhaps I responded to your post since you quoted me.