Labour

[EverythingAllatOnceAllTheTime]

No questions the Tories were bad, but Labour are on another level.

Are you still happy you voted them in? Be honest now, you are having your doubts aren’t you?

If not, you really should be.

Quite, who cares if those horrible billionaires who paid a $ a day to their Swiss workers completely leave the UK.

People come and go from all countries, for various reasons, few will leave purely for income tax alone.

Its just another scare story.

We need to be creating the conditions in the NHS and other public services, so skilled people don't go to other countries to practice, AHPs etc are needed to help this country grow, get people educated, so they in turn earn more/pay more tax and help get 3m people on long term sick back at work, if possible.

Would you?! Cheers for that!

If. It's all if. Compared to the concrete actions of the previous government ifs aren't worth much.

Come back to this if it becomes a reality.

@Zonder

"If. It's all if. Compared to the concrete actions of the previous government ifs aren't worth much.

Come back to this if it becomes a reality."

I agree that at this early stage it is all "ifs" and only after say 4 years will we ever know if it has had any impact on high wealth individuals leaving the country, increased early retirement, increased part time hours, reduced tax revenues and reduced productivity.

But even then there could be a myriad of other reasons to have caused this effect and we could argue forever (with no right answer) on the weightings of each other factor.

So all we are left with now and in the future is suppositions and "ifs".

that others have debunked.

Have they? In what way?

who cares if those horrible billionaires who paid a $ a day to their Swiss workers completely leave the UK.

Back to 'who cares' I see.

Well I think we have been told that this company who spoke to the Guardia deal with people moving countries, and there was no data about whether there were just phone calls testing the water or converted into real life moves.
Were these calls made while we still had a tory government blah blah.
I didn't say the bit about the horrible billionaires, but I do agree actually. I have no interest in them except to repeat that they are the most likely to avoid as much tax as possible wherever they live.

I know I was quoting another poster in one go.

Yes I'm sure there are plenty who think billionaires are awful as you do.

I can't see that doing much for tax receipts. Other countries will find ways to attract people though.

Btw that isn't 'debunked' it may be the case still

This thread is becoming very repetitive.

Are you not adding posts on the same topic?

You are very patient

In what way?

Posting stuff and getting a reply?

This stuff makes me laugh.

Let me guess @Efacsen is pro Starmer and Labour yes?

Were these calls made while we still had a tory government

They were. The article is from June.

Going to take my own advice and hide this thread for a couple of hours now

It is interesting how the staunch Labour posters expect only agreement on these threads or go on about 'patience' or 'repetition'

When they are posting on the topic, what are those posts scotch mist I gather

When you get off here maybe take a look off mn, there's loads to get annoyed about re what people are saying about Starmer and Labour

Sweetie, I see your name and the very last thing I expect is agreement.

'Sweetie'

Haha

Nope

Tbf I skip some posts but that is ugh

You want people like this in the UK?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm55gzvv1dro

Strange how you see this as a "who cares" & "hate for billionaires" i see it as a moral issue, you see it as money rules and who cares how they behave.

When you get off here maybe take a look off mn, there's loads to get annoyed about re what people are saying about Starmer and Labour

On WFA and cloths yes but not "loads" & neither are substantive to the UK economy, back to wanting the UK to fail.

back to wanting the UK to fail

There's no point in repeating this. If Labour does mean the UK fails I'm sure you'll hear loads about it.

So do you still want people like this here in the UK or not?

Simple enough question, esp as you accused me & plenty of others, of hating billionaires and not caring if they leave, which is rubbish.

If people relocate, they will do it for a range of reasons.

This FT article, Do The Very Wealthy Relocate Because of Tax Rises Alone from earlier this month, indicates that there is a degree of deliberate alarmism regarding any such exodus. The article suggests that a lot of the talk about moving is a PR exercise, designed to act as a deterrent to the goverment. It points out that many of those chosen to give their views in the media are largely already known to have particular views about tax - & those views are likely to be influenced by their intermediaries.

"Andy Summers, one of the authors of the report, says: “Of the people we interviewed for this research, not one stated that they were planning to emigrate or immigrate for tax reasons. In fact, the vast majority of interviewees were clear that they would never consider moving for tax reasons.”

I am inclined to believe John Caudwell when he says: “It may have suited some with a political agenda to encourage headlines about a potential exodus from the UK of the wealthy."

https://www.ft.com/content/42327e45-5867-46b6-9ef2-22d6efe73349

I think people would be interested in actual debate. Not just ifs and maybes and proclamations of how terrible everything Labour does is.

Instead we get rude comments about Starmer and false comments about what he may or may not do, what he has or hasn't done.

I know this will just get written off as me being a Starmer fan or something but that's rubbish. I'm as disappointed in him as anyone for not declaring the clothes in good time, and for not setting a better threshold for the WFA. But frankly there's so much good that some people are blind to and they will always come up with some reason for why anything labour do just had to be evil.

I think some people's minds have been poisoned by years of Tories doing what ever they fancy and getting away with it.

There's nothing wrong with looking at policy and considering the potential impact on behaviour. More people should do it, including politicians.

Personally I like to think ahead but others can do what they like.

I can say though even though I'm glad to have an alternative the last thing I want is the 'UK to fail'. We're happy here, including my dc, I'll join everyone else who is pissed if they get it wrong.

No there isn't but as Labour haven't yet announced any policies or had a budget, speculating & being negative is a bit premature.

Glad you don't want the Hinduja's here either.

& being negative is a bit premature

Maybe let Starmer know not to do press conferences centred around pain and difficult decisions then.

I didn't respond on the other issue I think you're answering yourself