Labour

[EverythingAllatOnceAllTheTime]

No questions the Tories were bad, but Labour are on another level.

Are you still happy you voted them in? Be honest now, you are having your doubts aren’t you?

If not, you really should be.

You don't really think this do you? It's a made up conclusion.

(Not a very good one, to be honest, but what do we expect?)

@Zonder

"You don't really think this do you? It's a made up conclusion."

Of course not, but I do find it amusing and ironic that the left see patriotism as an unpleasant far right trait.

But then argue that the wealthy should be more patriotic and feel proud to pay more taxes to help their country.

I take it you don't know the difference between Patriotism and Nationalism?

@HannibalHeyes

"Why do you think Brexit happened?"

Brexit happened for a number of reasons.

Firstly Cameron was spooked by a number of defections to UKIP and though a successful referendum would silence this

It occurred at the same time as there were a large number of migrants crossing into Europe for example Germany. The right wing media then whipped this up in to a fear of "they're coming here next" message.

There was to be blunt a campaign of misinformation from the Leave campaign (eg £300 million extra for the NHS every day or Turkey is about to join the EU or we'll get an amazing post Brexit deal)

And lastly and I think most importantly it came at a time of unpopularity with the Cameron government over continued austerity measures that many voters took the opportunity to give a two fingers to the Government.

But I do recognise that there are many tin foil hat wearing left wing conspiracy theorists who want to believe it was some kind of secret ultra wealthy plot concerned about tax havens involving press barons that engineered both the referendum itself and the result.

To be blunt if they had the time and money to even attempt to do this then it would considerably easier and cheaper to just bugger off to the Cayman Islands

Please try and do better than simply throwing insults around, it's somewhat tedious.

I think @HannibalHeyes has it right. There's a difference between patriotism and nationalism. Just look at Billy Bragg - as left as you like but wrote a book on this and wrote England Half English on the theme.

9,500 are forecast to leave the UK - second only to China in scale.

What does this even mean? Where's your source for 9500 forecast to leave? And second only to China in what?

My rebuke was a response to your dismissal, but let’s move on.

You otherwise seem to infer it is not possible to move so quickly. Let me assure you that it is.
A number of jurisdictions are set up for such a scenario. Look at Italy - normally bureaucratic - now very pragmatic with a fixed lump sum tax rate etc.

Capital can redeploy quickly- hence talk of an exit tax a la Norway etx

The number of millionnaires expected to leave by 2028.

Henley and Partners.

Very surprised you didn’t know this.

Henley and partners are migration consultants. I'm not sure I'd trust their guesstimate, given their business is getting people to become migrants!

Very surprised you didn't know this.

Agree, exit tax is madness unless they want to prompt capital moving quickly now

And there's no shortage of advisors or information on which countries are set up to be more attractive

Yes of course you wish to move on because you were wrong.

Again, so with less than 2 months notice, you and presumably many others, upped sticks and moved to Switzerland ? 'course you did, well done for being so flexible.

Now, we've moved to Italy!! or have you fled Norway....??? hard to keep up!! capital isn't people and people have lives.

The wealthy are always saying they will leave the UK, yet rarely do & thats from international research, very surprised you didn't know this.

As for Brexit, whatever caused it, the result, 3 years on, is a drop in exports and imports of approx 30%, both in value and volume, thats a far bigger impact on the UK economy than a few people who leave the UK to avoid tax.

Yes. And Brexit had more impact on businesses leaving the UK.

Where does the pp say she's in Italy or Norway?

Does 'look at Italy' mean that she lives there or 'Norway has an exit tax' mean she's there?

They will be doing brisk business in this environment.

If I just consider our own personal case, the loss of tax revenue to the exchequer is eye-watering, and amongst those 9,500 is some serious wealth.

The treatment of trusts in October will be crucial.

No, we are in Switzerland.

Norway is high tax - I would not recommend it for you and your family.

The thread is not about Brexit.

Capital is increasingly fluid, so I disagree with you.

We and others can do 90 days plus in the UK without issue, covering the seasons events in the summer, so all is good.

The thread is not about Brexit

But let's give credit where credit is due!

There is disbelief for your posts and I'd suggest it's part of the problem for the UK.

Many think people and businesses won't react to tax regimes and there is not a competitive market in other countries attracting them

Absolutely.

I post from a position of knowledge and experience - not pontification and guesswork.

@MN moderator this is not aimed at any poster (unless they recognise themselves in this description of course lol)

Business yes - it doesn't mean I'd trust their figures when connected to touting for business!