Labour

[EverythingAllatOnceAllTheTime]

No questions the Tories were bad, but Labour are on another level.

Are you still happy you voted them in? Be honest now, you are having your doubts aren’t you?

If not, you really should be.

Tbf it has been a while since we've had a gov as you mentioned. Blair avoided the same

I know how these threads read and what the the concerns are, idk what will happen for sure but I'm v glad to have dual citizenship for dc. Golden tbh

If this Government were more organised, they would have realised by how that a very large number of their golden geese PAYE taxpayers have dual nationality!

Dual nationality also means you may have loyalty well to your second nationality!

You represent all that is wrong with the UK - the Angela Rayners of this world

It is not the Angela Rayners of this world who have led us to the mess we are in. It is the ex-public school boys, the crazed think-tankers and the hedge fund managers, all promoted far beyond their ability and experience who have fucked the UK up.

You clearly despise working class women @TTSSRPBT

Angela is simply the updated version of John Prescott - he was hopeless too and just the token “uneducated bloke made good”.

I don't know how things will pan out, but if the UK doesn't dramatically collapse in some way and the Labour government doesn't fail to get another term, there will be some very, very disappointed MN posters. It is very telling that they hope for bad times for ordinary people.

Incidentally, the passport office is most definitely trying to play catch up now with gathering information on dual nationality with the younger generation. Everyone knows the younger workers of the future are a prized asset.

Do you feel the same about John Major too?

The past five PMs have demonstrated that education does not necessarily equal the ability to successfully run a country.

@PandoraSox - nobody is hoping for bad times for working people! We are simply stating the obvious, which is don’t cut off your nose to spite your face!

The woe-me working class mantra doesn’t fix social problems. We need money and tax payers, preferably higher and additional rate ones.

So the pensioners on around £12k are not ordinary people that this labour government are giving bad times to, a lot of labour supporters hope for this and think they deserve it

Scapegoating the elite - whatever your definition of that- it just doesn’t lead to more money for the poor. As much as people would love to believe that.

It's really sad isn't it? I thought we had got past the elitist view that only university educated people could achieve anything.

I am just going to add to this that I've actually heard some people say they're leaving the country because they want to avoid all the migrants too. The irony!

I have said a few times on this and other threads that Labour has got it badly wrong on the WFA and a re-think is needed.

Scapegoating the "elite"? Who are the "elite" and how are they being scapegoated?

The elite - non doms, private school parents and their children, anyone old with an actual pension too now, bankers, anyone in the South East, landlords…

Well the list goes on and on depending on who you talk to.

But essentially anti-elitism has become a new form of nimbyism and for some, is anyone richer than me! How dare they!

Why would anyone be disappointed the U.K. does well, many people want to stay but are happy to have an alternative if it doesn't work out

What the pp is talking about makes economic sense although it's not a given

If it does as pp suggests it will be those not well off who feel it most. Others will be happy elsewhere or more immune

As @Solymoly a pensioner on less than £12k is acceptable atm and Labour won't budge.

Starmer’s job is to recreate a British-American Dream for all, celebrating our diversity and talent as a nation, from top to bottom. One for all type stuff to reunite. Blair had that knack- Starmer is failing miserable right now, and it’s going to cost us unless he pulls up his breeches.

I may be wrong, but Blair didn't dramatically change things in two and a half months, did he? He did have a more positive demeanour than Starmer, though. Apart from the war mongering, but that came later.

ETA: "Blair’s first 100 days were far from plain sailing, with the new government having to navigate its way through scandal, four interest rate hikes, and culminating in the Uxbridge by-election, which returned a Conservative MP with an increased majority."

www.futuregovernanceforum.co.uk/2024/06/29/what-keir-starmer-can-learn-from-blairs-first-100-days/

By the logic propagated by some on here, the FT "isn’t political per se. It’s pro economic growth" yet simultaneously is left wing

Can they not see the disjoint?

(Full disclosure: joint economics and French degree. not a Labour voter because of where I live but am left wing and don't believe in the Monetarist but really ideologically driven theories behind Austerity ; lived through and was horrified by the Thatcher years - not for myself as I'd got a good graduate job but for those less fortunate than myself)

I like Graham Norton's attitude: paying higher rates of tax is a privilege because you're earning enough to be able to do so and that it results in a better country for everyone.

Well if the highly educated former cabinet is anything to go by it would appear the link between education and competence is tenuous to say the least. Some of the outstanding politicians in the past have been “uneducated blokes made good”.

@prettybird - I have a number of mainland Chinese and Hong Kong friends who think the U.K. is already socialist. But you can ignore the warnings all you like. It won’t make things better though.

Regarding the FT I think it’s pretty centrist. Different journalists will have slightly different angles. But it is most definitely not right wing.

See I find this extraordinary - 200k people have recently moved here from Hong Kong, most of them it seems are highly educated and will be high earners.

@blossomtoes - yes, precisely some in that demographic of HK is surprised at how socialist this country is.