Labour

[EverythingAllatOnceAllTheTime]

No questions the Tories were bad, but Labour are on another level.

Are you still happy you voted them in? Be honest now, you are having your doubts aren’t you?

If not, you really should be.

Personally, I think a lot of policy making is forgetting entirely that there is “no loyalty” left to the country. And that anyone and their dog who has a professional qualification and a bit of cash to their name is entirely internationally mobile!

I remember my own Grandmother, of the old stock, military, British family but of the Labour ilk stating that she does not need help with her gas bills. Whilst happily sitting in the cold and counting every penny, because that is exactly what their generation did.

Things have moved on entirely. Those in charge and in eg private schools are often colonialised eg Asians who have zero debt and regard for Starmer and his “service“ to the country mantra.
You cannot open the country entirely for 40 years and go all capitalism/globalism and then attempt to claw back! It literally will translate to ruin!!!!

Busted!

What on earth are you talking about? Nobody mentioned specialist music schools before. Gaslighting huh?

Are you seriously suggesting the FT is left wing? You just jumped the shark there! If that's what you consider left wing you must really be taking in some extreme right propaganda.

Specialist Music schools will be subject to VAT on school fees!

The FT isn’t political per se. It’s pro economic growth. But I guess if you are a full on Commie @zonder who believes people don’t own capital and everything belongs to the state, then it may well appear right wing to you…

I guess if you are a Reform voter, the FT may seem a tad left wing. This letter made me chuckle.

www.ft.com/content/091566d2-2fe4-42a7-88a2-a1d46fd22186

I had to laugh at the person suggesting that we're heading towards a dictatorship! Which government was it that took away our right to peaceful protest again?

(I would have added emojis, but I know they proscribed by MN these days!)

Ok!

It is broken, yes. The Tories broke it. But it will mend. It has before. Safe journey to your new destination.

Don't the the door hit you on the arse on your way out...

I'm wondering where you are moving to, but you don't have to say of course

I understand your concerns re the economics of where we may be headed but I'll give it some time and see where it goes

You may be right, idk

Well I have been searching for anything that backs your idea that the FT is leftie and I've drawn a blank. Generally articles range from saying it is centre, to centre-right to right.

But you do you 🤣

"Another Billion in Conservative Crony Contracts: Landmark Investigation Reveals New ‘Red Flags’ in Covid-Era PPE Contracts"

But yeah, it's all Labour's fault...

https://bylinetimes.com/2024/09/09/another-billion-in-conservative-crony-contracts-landmark-investigation-reveals-new-red-flags-in-covid-era-ppe-contracts/

Are you Charlie Mullins perchance?

@HannibalHeyes

"Don't the the door hit you on the arse on your way "

Given that neither of us know for sure if @TTSSRPBT will genuinely leave the UK but let's take it at face value and assume she is.

As per my previous post there are those on the left who want to improve the position of the less well off and those on the left that simply want to punish the wealthy.

Now given @TTSSRPBT works in finance and can actually afford to relocate abroad would imply she is a high earner.

So when 0.1% of income earners pay 25% of all income tax receipts and 1% pay 30% then I am genuinely astounded why those on the left would not care about these high income earners leaving the country.

Are the left so economically inept or ideologically driven that they would rather be poorer as a country by not caring or being happy about the wealthy leaving.

There is so much wrong with that screed that I can't honestly be bothered...

Interesting reading. It dispels a lot of myths about higher earners. This is particularly interesting

Using anonymised data from personal tax returns, we show that in 2015-16 the average rate of tax paid by people who received one million pounds in taxable income and gains was just 35 per cent: the same as someone earning £100,000. But one in four of these paid 45 per cent – close to the top rate – whilst another quarter paid less than 30 per cent overall. One in ten paid just 11 per cent—the same as someone earning £15,000. The rich, it seems, are not all in it together.

And this is mind blowing

A one-off wealth tax on millionaire couples paid at one per cent a year for five years, we found, would raise £260 billion.

https://www.lse.ac.uk/research/research-for-the-world/economics/how-much-tax-do-the-rich-really-pay

Now given @TTSSRPBT works in finance and can actually afford to relocate abroad would imply she is a high earner

You do realise that you have absolutely no way of knowing any of this is true?

Are the left so economically inept or ideologically driven that they would rather be poorer as a country by not caring or being happy about the wealthy leaving

All the same rubbish about high earners leaving the UK was trotted out in 1997. it didn't happen. This government is arguably less left wing than the Blair/Brown administration.

@PandoraSox

"You do realise that you have absolutely no way of knowing any of this is true"

Absolutely I have no way of knowing if this is true or not, it was an assumption, hence why I used the word "imply" rather than "is".

"All the same rubbish about high earners leaving the UK was trotted out in 1997. it didn't happen. This government is arguably less left wing than the Blair/Brown administration."

Given Labour have only been in power a short time it is impossible to state if high earners will or will not leave the country and if so in what numbers.

My point was that left wing posters don't care or would even be pleased if they did, regardless of the reduction in tax revenues. This is economically inept.

From a personal perspective if it wasn't for the sheer hassle and the fact that I don't earn enough to make it worthwhile, then if taxation levels increased much further then I too would consider leaving the country

In that case I would say it's not left wing posters who don't care. If someone earns more, is asked to pay more tax and leaves the country because of it then they are clearly the ones who don't care.

I'm not a high rate tax payer - I happily pay my taxes towards our country. My DH is a higher rate tax payer and he also happily pays his taxes. That's a key point about being more left - we understand that taxes are necessary for the good of the country.

You represent all that is wrong with the UK - the Angela Rayners of this world.

I would be so proud to be associated with Angela Rayner.

If you have so little loyalty to the UK that being asked to pay a little more tax for the good of the country sends you running then I have nothing more to say to you.