Labour

[EverythingAllatOnceAllTheTime]

No questions the Tories were bad, but Labour are on another level.

Are you still happy you voted them in? Be honest now, you are having your doubts aren’t you?

If not, you really should be.

I think that we're supposed to be frightened by the "threat" that the UK might already be "socialist" - in the same way that Trump supporters see it as the ultimate insult

Sorry not sorry , I'm not

It’s not and I find that extraordinary given that they’re moving from a communist state but surely they should have done their homework before they came?

It's more how stuff gets paid for where you might not be using the same emoji

I think the terms used were capital flight and market reactions. Maybe it won't happen but if it does then it probably is something to be concerned about. For those not well off, and our dc

It isn’t a threat in any shape or form. I am literally relaying anecdote from HK in our schools and that I have come across professionally. But obviously in conversation it was very much discussed that we have freedom of speech and full internet access.

Strange that the £ has been increasing in value.

& that we've had the highest tax burden since the 40s, huge cuts to public services and debt to GDP is at record (exc affects of WW2) levels.

But you re right, you don't know anything about macroeconomics, fiscal policy etc etc & neither do you know "whats coming..." if you do, can i have next months euro millions numbers please?

Enjoy wherever you decide to live.

"Over and out" if only.

"Over and out" if only.

I prefer the pp to keep posting it's dull when threads are by posters driving people off.

It's also completely skewed and too far removed from pretty much every other outlet atm discussing Labour

I see I have been deleted by mumsnet for jokingly referring to bots. My post explaining that I meant it in jest has also been deleted I think.
I have been on multiple threads this morning where posters are literally telling others they are f'ing stupid.
The moderation on this site is becoming incredibly hard to understand.

Just as it did when the Conservatives came to power 14 years ago. What goes around comes around.

If anyone is old enough to remember the labour/tory governments of the 1970s they would have to be older than 60 now, so possibly the poster that is saying they are leaving is off to retire. I am in my late 50s and remember the excitement of the power cuts, but that is it. I went to university in the early 80s and that's when i became politically motivated. The decimation of much of the industry of the West of Scotland had to be seen to be believed - ship building, steel works, I think most of the mines there had already gone by then, but whole communities were left with no chance to retrain or find other work. Those 3 million unemployed during the Thatcher years are not a made up conspiracy that somehow the last labour government of the 1970s managed to cause.
Then the introduction of the poll tax as a social experiment disregarded elsewhere in the Uk until suddenly it was rolled out and riots ensued, finally bringing an end to Thatcher but not the tories until Blair. The 1980s were shocking.

The difference is they inherited healthy public services. Which they then proceeded to decimate. I don’t remember this level of criticism in July 2010.

Absolutely correct @BIossomtoes
The difference this time is the complete mess in the public sector.

Agree @Summernightsinthe21stcentury People who didn't experience being the "testing" ground for Thatcher's policies don't understand why so many Scots have such a visceral hatred of her.

I went to Uni in the late 70s (left Glasgow to go East ) but only graduated in 84 (long story )

Ironically, I, as a single person with my own house (in England) was one of those that would've been better of with the poll tax. Still didn't agree with it though

I was better off with poll tax too. I was a single parent whose child was being educated so I definitely got my money’s worth. It was grossly unfair, nonetheless.

Oh no! TTSSRPBT is leaving the country! How will we all cope?

Oh, woe is us...

Honestly it's never worth mentioning 'bots' even in jest - MNHQ treat it like troll-hunting and invariably delete [if reported]

Thanks, @Efacsen I was not aware of that. I will be more careful in future.

Changing tack from rounding on one poster did anyone see the lead story on Sky site this morning and the statement from an Amnesty International Uk refugee / migration director?

If what they predict keeps happening this will be a growing issue for Labour

I didn’t see that @EasternStandard - just something in the Times about Starmer getting some free glasses and Victoria some free dresses and failing to declare properly and a potential investigation. Is this the press going for them or are they just no better than the previous lot? And that is our lot as a country? Muppets in charge.

Starmer went in strong on 'smash the gangs' pre GE. If it ends up with more deaths in the channel as the director states then he'll be up against it politically. There were more deaths last night

Steve Valdez-Symonds, Amnesty International UK's refugee and migrant rights director, said: "This is yet another appalling and avoidable tragedy and our hearts go out to the families and friends of those who've died.

"These perilous crossings are seemingly becoming more and more dangerous, suggesting smugglers are taking greater chances with people's lives as they try to evade detection efforts by the UK and French authorities."

He added: "The government's 'smash the gangs' slogan and its security-heavy approach is contributing to the death toll because the refusal to establish safe asylum routes means these flimsy vessels controlled by people smugglers are the only real option for desperate people fleeing persecution."

Lead story on the site, even the BBC will start covering this if deaths keep increasing

Tbh he shouldn't have come out with a load of personal stuff about various posters, completely uncalled for.

As sad as it is, migrant deaths don't attract much sympathy, either here or in the Med.

Also, i believe you've always been against safe routes.

He?

Are you following their posts particularly, no idea if they are a he or she

And personal stuff? Do you mean the lack of economic knowledge I think it is an issue generally tbh

As for not caring about migrant deaths Starmer's policy is actually to smash the gangs not create a bigger graveyard in the channel

Surely they have to be looking at re-establishing legal routes in. If they did then the gangs would have surely fewer people to exploit.

There's a lot of talk about being a high earner and happy to pay more tax, but unless I've missed something, the government is not suggesting a rise in income tax rates.
Instead, they will increase CGT rates (meaning landlords will sell up before it comes into force), have already stated that the WFA only applies to some pensioners and has not ruled out taking away the free bus pass.
The latter in my opinion would be criminal. For many older people this is a lifeline and ensures they go out daily and have money for a coffee with friends.
I felt a sense of optimism when Labour got in, but feel they have no sensitivity

You are right to highlight the black economy … which is absolutely MASSIVE in the UK, especially in areas such as house cleaners, construction, and probably also the restaurant business although there I am not so sure.

Bringing that “above the table” and taxing it appropriately would increase tax revenues, increase fairness, and reduce the draw of the UK as a destination for economic migrants, all at once.

I think there is an issue with people’s values compared to countries like Scandinavia where is is shameful to not pay one’s fair tax share or to claim undue benefits, for instance by reducing work hours or working cash in hand where here it seems to be something people have no shame about and are sommetimes even a little bit proud about doing.