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Anyone feeling slightly uncomfortable with the scale of the sentencing after the riots?

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TiredWife · 14/08/2024 17:51

Firstly, in no way do I support the disgusting, racist behaviour we've seen over the last couple of weeks, and I fully believe the major perpetrators need to be found and punished.

Given his background Starmer has obviously been able to pull lots of strings to process a huge volume of offenders through the courts, and there is clearly a directive to name and shame in the media to send the clear message that this sort of behaviour will not be tolerated. All good, and in the past I would have been firmly in support of this.

However there's something about the scale and speed of the court response which is making me uncomfortable. It feels as if they are highlighting specific cases to 'send a message' and it doesn't seem consistent with how the police and courts have handled previous similar cases.

So for instance an 18 year old has just been sentenced to 26 weeks in a young offender institution for 'possession of a bladed article in a public place'. I live near a London suburb and I reckon about a third of men out on the streets on a Saturday night would fall foul of this! But the police seem reluctant to stop them, let alone charge them?

Similarly the 53 year old woman, first offender, jailed for 15 months over Facebook hate post. Again, I don't condone what she did, but when you look at all the hate that women get online, or the death threats sent to JKR or MPs, there are few instances of people being jailed in the same way?

Justice needs to be applied fairly and consistently, across all groups, but this feels like a response at a level which cannot be maintained/applied across the board? Is that fair?

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JoanOfMarch · 22/08/2024 16:21

Ted27 · 22/08/2024 13:35

@JoanOfMarch

Ricky Jones is due in court on 6 September.

So 2 weeks...till he has his fair trial for inciting violence. I shall put it in my diary.

dubsie · 24/08/2024 10:00

There should be no sympathy for these people inciting hate and violence. It's all based on lies and fake news with the objective of hurting a group of people. They can not be allowed to do this and the only way to crush it is to lock the culprits up.

OlympicGoldfish · 24/08/2024 10:43

The more I read and see photos of the riots when reading about the sentences, the more I realise how large scale and violent they were. This could have gone very wrong and I don’t feel at all uncomfortable about the length of sentences they’re getting.

Wizeman · 24/08/2024 23:41

dubsie · 24/08/2024 10:00

There should be no sympathy for these people inciting hate and violence. It's all based on lies and fake news with the objective of hurting a group of people. They can not be allowed to do this and the only way to crush it is to lock the culprits up.

I totally agree that anyone involved in violence should be locked up as many have on the "right wing" side of the argument. The problem is alot of people who are genuinely concerned about the state of immigration and are protesting peacefully are being locked up to. Another point to be made is that violent "counter protesters" are not being locked up. I've seen first hand in stoke on trent hundreds of young Muslim men wielding knifes and machetes etc marching around, multiple white people were attacked. I also thinks it's unacceptable that young men who are of a different race are being attacked. My main point is why is it only the right wing rioters being locked up? What about the leads riots or the "left wing rioters"? The police ran away. I feal 2 tier policing is starting to become a big issue. On top of this freedom of speech seems to be in danger. Someone that feels that illegal migration should be stopped or that migration in general is to high is labled a racist and far right by the media and by kier starmer.

RobinStrike · 25/08/2024 00:34

@Wizeman do you have any examples of peaceful protesters wing locked up? Everyone sentenced so far has pleaded guilty to violent disorder. Why would they be charged and plead guilty if they hadn't done anything? Everyone who has gone through the courts so far is on camera footage committing an offence which is why their cases have been processed so quickly.

Yellowcakestand · 25/08/2024 01:24

It's a joke.

ExP, 2nd DV conviction (5th assault/GBH conviction) only got 11 months for breaking gf bones, strangulation and stalking.

Yet they are people being sentenced for far lesser crimes here to be made examples of under a new government.

MrsCatE · 25/08/2024 03:32

@tiredwife To paraphrase; "I'm not a racist, but" ... says it all

TiredWife · 25/08/2024 07:48

MrsCatE · 25/08/2024 03:32

@tiredwife To paraphrase; "I'm not a racist, but" ... says it all

Except that’s not remotely paraphrasing what I said.
But I recognise the lazy meme-style response widely used by people who can’t be bothered to have a proper discussion and debate.
Let me guess, you also use ‘End of’ as another intellectual response?

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OlympicGoldfish · 25/08/2024 07:56

@Wizeman i take it if you’ve seen first hand you took photos and sent them to the papers? Voicing concerns about immigration doesn’t make you a racist, being racist does. There’s a difference in how you talk about people and issues. I don’t think you’ll care, however, as this has been extensively discussed here and elsewhere, yet you bring the same old cliches.

OlympicGoldfish · 25/08/2024 07:59

@Yellowcakestand i suspect many of these newly locked up thugs’ partners and ex partners will be glad to have got rid of them for a while. Are you seriously saying it’s a joke these violent idiots were out away for so long? Because your abuser wasn’t?

Yellowcakestand · 25/08/2024 10:38

OlympicGoldfish · 25/08/2024 07:59

@Yellowcakestand i suspect many of these newly locked up thugs’ partners and ex partners will be glad to have got rid of them for a while. Are you seriously saying it’s a joke these violent idiots were out away for so long? Because your abuser wasn’t?

No what im saying is they have come down really hard, and rightly so, on these cases.

What's a 'joke' is its not reflected across the board and others get away with far more crime and less of a punishment. In my opinion (in a forum for opinions), it deems other crimes less important.

OlympicGoldfish · 25/08/2024 11:08

@Yellowcakestand I misunderstood. My apologies 🙊

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