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Money is pouring in for Kamala Harris as U.S. presidential candidate

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MsAmerica · 24/07/2024 01:34

And I confess myself very surprised.

Kamala Harris' fundraising reaches a record-breaking $100 million since Biden's exit
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/07/23/fundraising-for-kamala-harris-tops-100-million-shattering-records/74509043007/

Historic flood of cash pours into Harris campaign and allied groups
www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/historic-flood-of-cash-pours-into-harris-campaign-and-allied-groups/ar-BB1qvtCj?ocid=BingNewsSerp

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twodowntwotogo · 26/07/2024 10:15

Igotjelly · 26/07/2024 10:01

I don't disagree, character and morality is vitally important but it doesn't hurt to have an understanding of key policy positions too. I think in recent years Politics has veered towards big personalities and we've somehow forgotten the mundane but important parts.

The example from the UK I was thinking about at least in part was BREXIT and how many people did little to no research at all into what the relationship with the EU meant, they simply 'fancied a change' (and I quote a close relative in saying that).

Trump's specific policy positions are completely overshadowed by his actions at the last election when he literally refused to accept the democratic process and encouraged violence to stop it. A deep ideological rift leading to actual endangerment of democracy will always matter more than specific policies.

Igotjelly · 26/07/2024 10:16

twodowntwotogo · 26/07/2024 10:15

Trump's specific policy positions are completely overshadowed by his actions at the last election when he literally refused to accept the democratic process and encouraged violence to stop it. A deep ideological rift leading to actual endangerment of democracy will always matter more than specific policies.

I'm never even sure Trump has any real policy positions, I get the impression it changes depending on the way the winds blowing that day.

BIossomtoes · 26/07/2024 10:21

Igotjelly · 26/07/2024 10:16

I'm never even sure Trump has any real policy positions, I get the impression it changes depending on the way the winds blowing that day.

Whatever he thinks will attract the most votes.

pikkumyy77 · 26/07/2024 11:44

As for “telling it like it is” this is very much not solely—or even characteristically—a British trait. I mean the Dutch and Germans have that reputation but the Brits? The national character and s famously conflict averse, phlegmatic, stoic, and silent.

I think what the poster is objecting to really is optimism and enjoyment of the political moment. That’s just a temperamental style not a bit of thoughtful political strategy.

44,000 Black women, 150,000 White women, got on a zoom call with Harris to make plans and fundraise. Unprecedented involvement of grassroots and of women as an interest group.

As for the caution that Harris might need to debate Trump—as I predicted he has already tried to withdraw from any debate. My enthusiasm at this political moment doesn’t come from blind sentiment at all but from my political experience and my good understanding of the various players and their strengths and weaknesses.

Igotjelly · 26/07/2024 11:51

pikkumyy77 · 26/07/2024 11:44

As for “telling it like it is” this is very much not solely—or even characteristically—a British trait. I mean the Dutch and Germans have that reputation but the Brits? The national character and s famously conflict averse, phlegmatic, stoic, and silent.

I think what the poster is objecting to really is optimism and enjoyment of the political moment. That’s just a temperamental style not a bit of thoughtful political strategy.

44,000 Black women, 150,000 White women, got on a zoom call with Harris to make plans and fundraise. Unprecedented involvement of grassroots and of women as an interest group.

As for the caution that Harris might need to debate Trump—as I predicted he has already tried to withdraw from any debate. My enthusiasm at this political moment doesn’t come from blind sentiment at all but from my political experience and my good understanding of the various players and their strengths and weaknesses.

Excellent post and agree entirely. My work is closely linked to politics and diplomacy which I like to think informs my enthusiasm.

pikkumyy77 · 26/07/2024 12:07

Oh! How interesting! I am an ex anthropologist turned clinical social worker from a very political family. I have worked many elections at the polls and of course worked for my candidates at elections door knocking or fundraising (in a small way).

twodowntwotogo · 26/07/2024 12:07

pikkumyy77 · 26/07/2024 11:44

As for “telling it like it is” this is very much not solely—or even characteristically—a British trait. I mean the Dutch and Germans have that reputation but the Brits? The national character and s famously conflict averse, phlegmatic, stoic, and silent.

I think what the poster is objecting to really is optimism and enjoyment of the political moment. That’s just a temperamental style not a bit of thoughtful political strategy.

44,000 Black women, 150,000 White women, got on a zoom call with Harris to make plans and fundraise. Unprecedented involvement of grassroots and of women as an interest group.

As for the caution that Harris might need to debate Trump—as I predicted he has already tried to withdraw from any debate. My enthusiasm at this political moment doesn’t come from blind sentiment at all but from my political experience and my good understanding of the various players and their strengths and weaknesses.

Great post and agree with it all.

I imagine the first task - seeing as KH isn't formally nominated yet - is to do with encouraging enthusiasm and positivity for her candidacy. As we've seen, it's there in such a strong way. It's wonderful to witness after the confusion of the previous months, and in particular the period since the Biden-Trump debate.

dottiehens · 26/07/2024 12:12

The same people that told us that Biden was ok to run as president. Yes, she is having a moment with people who can’t even vote yet. I imagine the Democrats have not got round to lower the vote to 16 like in Venezuela and soon here. Now for the vote that count in crucial states for the race in November it is to be seen. I appreciate she is refreshing after Biden but it is an uphill battle. Let’s not forget she is the VP and all the fuck ups since 2020 come with KH.

pikkumyy77 · 26/07/2024 12:34

An article recently came out (well it would have to be recent) detailing everything that happened after Biden informed her that he would step aside. She assembled her team, informed them, and began working the phones calling each of her potential challengers, supporters, and key democratic constituencies one minute after Biden informed his staff and personally made 100 cals in 10 hours.

This is an incredibly disciplined person and although it was an unprecedented situation she and the dem leadership and the rank and file have absolutely made it work. She is the nominee for all intents and purposes.

While a lot of voters vote the person and not the party its a two party system in which for anything to get done the party has to sweep both the executive and legislative bodies (Presidency, House, and Senate). In addition these days if your party doesn’t control the senate you lose the Supreme Court and your legislation will be blocked or overturned.

I am a yellow dog democrat—that is to say I vote for the party regardless of standard bearer. Because, more or less, the democrats offer the best chance to further my policy preferences. But lots of people won’t get out of bed to vote unless they love the candidate. Specifically lots of voters focus primarily on the presidency and are unaware of the other seats being fought or the other issues in power/legislating. This is why both parties try to put attractive ballot issues on the ballot if they can. For Republicans its usually something punitive or “patriotic” like anti abortion, anti immigrant, or pro flag ballot initiatives. For the dems it used to be things like pro-pot legislation. That brought out socially liberal but otherwise laxy voters who might then pull the lever for the dem candidate.

The presidency serves the same function: an exciting or charismatic candidate can pull unlikely voters to the booth or energize likely voters. An uncharismatic or damaged one can fail to get people out to vote at all so the downballot races are affected.

I agree with the “brave tell it like it is” poster that overconfidence could be bad. But misery and nihilism are really just as dangerous as they discourage voters from voting as they won’t put effort into what they see as a losing cause.

The dems have a narrow needle to thread here with respect to the Senate regardless of candidate. It will be nearly impossible to take the Senate. But still the charisma and the ground game of the presidential nominee matters because all those enthusiastic fundraisers and door knockers will also be turning out the senate and congressional vote.

In conclusion: enthusiasm matters.

BIossomtoes · 26/07/2024 12:46

Thank you for your posts @pikkumyy77, you’re really improving my understanding of US politics.

harrisharrisharris · 26/07/2024 12:51

Isn't voting is the thing that ultimately makes no sense on an individual level - one vote makes no difference.

But if enough people say one vote doesn't matter...

The tiktokkers say that Harris energising the young vote is going to be critical in the election, the demographics look better than last time.

As a UK based person (my daughter is dual nationality) is there anywhere to buy Harris merch that donates to the campaign?

I still remember seeing Michigan go for Trump by the tiniest of margins in 2016.

harrisharrisharris · 26/07/2024 12:52

It's also a tough message 'this is a fight for democracy vs autocracy' - it has to be leavened with enthusiasm and humour.

Igotjelly · 26/07/2024 12:56

harrisharrisharris · 26/07/2024 12:52

It's also a tough message 'this is a fight for democracy vs autocracy' - it has to be leavened with enthusiasm and humour.

I thought the deprecating humour that she uses when she talks about Project 2025 (e.g. "have you read it, can you believe they put that into writing"..."it's 900 pages!") is quite effective.

harrisharrisharris · 26/07/2024 13:15

Agree, think the start of the Harris campaign has been well managed - saw the call from the Obamas 'and we're going to have some fun with this too, aren't we?'

ChimneyPot · 26/07/2024 13:53

harrisharrisharris · 26/07/2024 12:51

Isn't voting is the thing that ultimately makes no sense on an individual level - one vote makes no difference.

But if enough people say one vote doesn't matter...

The tiktokkers say that Harris energising the young vote is going to be critical in the election, the demographics look better than last time.

As a UK based person (my daughter is dual nationality) is there anywhere to buy Harris merch that donates to the campaign?

I still remember seeing Michigan go for Trump by the tiniest of margins in 2016.

https://store.kamalaharris.com

Harris Victory Fund Webstore

Official Webstore for Harris for President

https://store.kamalaharris.com

ChimneyPot · 26/07/2024 13:59

dottiehens · 26/07/2024 12:12

The same people that told us that Biden was ok to run as president. Yes, she is having a moment with people who can’t even vote yet. I imagine the Democrats have not got round to lower the vote to 16 like in Venezuela and soon here. Now for the vote that count in crucial states for the race in November it is to be seen. I appreciate she is refreshing after Biden but it is an uphill battle. Let’s not forget she is the VP and all the fuck ups since 2020 come with KH.

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She has energised my 20 year old who, as a dual US/Irish citizen, can vote.
She is arranging with her 19 and 20 year old friends to volunteer at various festivals to register young people to vote.

Some of her friends, who were protesting in Columbia earlier this year, were not going to vote at all prior to this. For them this is a complete game changer.

BIossomtoes · 26/07/2024 14:35

I really want a Madam President tshirt. I imagine the shipping would be extortionate.

harrisharrisharris · 26/07/2024 14:40

Yeah, the Kamala Harris store doesn't ship to the UK...damn it!! The dems are missing an opportunity a lot of us are a bit over invested in seeing the demise of Trump.

pikkumyy77 · 26/07/2024 14:43

As I said upthread this is a base election—we win by pulling new (young) voters snd energizing old steady voters—not by converting Trump’s voters or trimming to appeal to conservatives.

The swing states that Trump won were won by razor thin margins. Even nominally red states are often only red because of voter suppression tactics. A wave election with enough excitement from new/young/infrequent voters can overwhelm the general pattern set by low engagement or voter suppression.

I like what I’m seeing and I am excited to get to work!

SheilaFentiman · 26/07/2024 14:54

harrisharrisharris · 26/07/2024 14:40

Yeah, the Kamala Harris store doesn't ship to the UK...damn it!! The dems are missing an opportunity a lot of us are a bit over invested in seeing the demise of Trump.

My understanding is that they can solely take political donations from US individuals (corporate might be different)

SheilaFentiman · 26/07/2024 14:56

“Let’s not forget she is the VP and all the fuck ups since 2020 come with KH.”

One would hope that Trump’s record as president counts against him!

harrisharrisharris · 26/07/2024 15:10

Ahhh I suppose thst makes sense @SheilaFentiman with undue foreign influence

BIossomtoes · 26/07/2024 16:56

Yup, a few T-shirts shipped to the UK will make all the difference!

XChrome · 26/07/2024 17:44

Igotjelly · 26/07/2024 08:13

Absolutely agree with this! It always amazes me how many people vote with their gut and on whether they 'like' a candidate and without any real understanding of policy position etc - on both sides of the Atlantic!

This is so true. Further, they don't even bother to ask themselves why they like the candidate. It's not unlike meeting somebody in a bar, realizing you have a yen for that person, and deciding it's the basis for a marriage.

SheilaFentiman · 26/07/2024 17:56

BIossomtoes · 26/07/2024 16:56

Yup, a few T-shirts shipped to the UK will make all the difference!

I think I tried to donate to Act Blue for Clinton and it wasn’t possible :-)

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