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Reform party seems to be ahead in my area.

237 replies

Moier · 20/06/2024 18:55

Any of you voting Reform?
My area was always labour..( I've never voted labour).. but according to what I'm reading.. it's surprisingly gone the other way.
Will have to wait and see.
Did him being in I'm a Celebrity make him more popular..or is the extreme right the way to go?

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bergamotorange · 21/06/2024 17:16

HeBeaverandSheBeaver · 21/06/2024 16:46

I think re from will do really well. I believe a lot of people wont admit to voting for them

Look what happened with brexit. Anyone who voted yes was attacked verbally so people stopped admitting it. The same is happening.

The Brexit polls were accurate, nothing was hidden.

bergamotorange · 21/06/2024 17:19

Moier · 20/06/2024 22:37

I never said l was voting Reform.
Just what I've seen/ heard etc.

Seen/heard where?

ilovesooty · 21/06/2024 17:26

Reform policies aren't costed either. Not that it matters to them - they won't have to implement them.

LifeGivesYouOranges · 21/06/2024 17:35

I was going to vote Tory (although I didn't want to, it's purely because I didn't want to vote Labour) but Reform have some refreshing policies so I'm going to vote for them.

I am not far right, or racist, or 'thick' or any of the ridiculous insults that have been thrown around recently. (Those who have to sling childish insults at anyone whose opinion differs to their own are not worth listening to). I have no doubt Labour will form the next Government but I certainly will not have voting for them on my conscience!

Anonym00se · 21/06/2024 17:37

LifeGivesYouOranges · 21/06/2024 17:35

I was going to vote Tory (although I didn't want to, it's purely because I didn't want to vote Labour) but Reform have some refreshing policies so I'm going to vote for them.

I am not far right, or racist, or 'thick' or any of the ridiculous insults that have been thrown around recently. (Those who have to sling childish insults at anyone whose opinion differs to their own are not worth listening to). I have no doubt Labour will form the next Government but I certainly will not have voting for them on my conscience!

Can I ask which of their policies are attractive?

Also edited to add that I don’t think that Reform voters are racist or far right. But Reform themselves are, so what is the appeal of voting for people with horrible views like theirs?

RafaistheKingofClay · 21/06/2024 17:41

ilovesooty · 21/06/2024 17:26

Reform policies aren't costed either. Not that it matters to them - they won't have to implement them.

There’s a small part of me that makes me want to see what would happen if they were suddenly forced to implement them.

But mostly from the safe distance of watching from another country…

ilovesooty · 21/06/2024 17:43

Refreshing policies?

LifeGivesYouOranges · 21/06/2024 17:45

@Anonym00se Of course! Stopping the mention of trans ideology in schools is a massive step forward. Any steps towards reclaiming womens rights are welcome. Looking to total reform of the NHS to a more French based system is a superb idea - no amount of money will fix the black hole of our NHS now. Not treating the NHS like some sacred religion and looking to real improvement is refreshing. Plus some lovely little extras like scrapping inheritance tax (a bloody stealth tax if I ever saw one!) and scrapping the BBC licence fee. Even if they can't achieve it there are some fab ideas here.

LifeGivesYouOranges · 21/06/2024 17:51

@Anonym00se to add, you say why would I vote for someone with horrible views - Keir Starmer has the most awful view of all - that men can be women. It makes an absolute mockery of women and girls rights. He must really hate us. I cannot vote for this utter denial of basic truth.

Anonym00se · 21/06/2024 18:00

LifeGivesYouOranges · 21/06/2024 17:45

@Anonym00se Of course! Stopping the mention of trans ideology in schools is a massive step forward. Any steps towards reclaiming womens rights are welcome. Looking to total reform of the NHS to a more French based system is a superb idea - no amount of money will fix the black hole of our NHS now. Not treating the NHS like some sacred religion and looking to real improvement is refreshing. Plus some lovely little extras like scrapping inheritance tax (a bloody stealth tax if I ever saw one!) and scrapping the BBC licence fee. Even if they can't achieve it there are some fab ideas here.

Thanks for replying!

Can I ask what your views are on Farage’s positive comments about Andrew Tate? I think they’re enough to terrify any woman. Do you think Reform’s plans to scrap the Equalities act and pull out of the ECHR will be hugely detrimental to women’s hard-fought rights and set us back decades? What’s the point of passing a law to ban trans people from changing rooms, when on the other hand we could also lose maternity rights, equal pay, and go back to having no protection from domestic violence because that’s the reality of their plans.

Also, Farage keeps banging on about French-style reform of the NHS but his plans don’t resemble the French system at all. Are you worried about us ending up with a US-style system of healthcare where even insured people end up bankrupted from a cancer diagnosis?

I just believe that he’s coming out with all this stuff, but his words and actions are already proving that he’s extremely disingenuous about the promises in his ‘contract’.

justasking111 · 21/06/2024 18:00

I suspect it's a protest vote against the Tories. I wouldn't expect it to affect any other political parties to any extent.

Pressstopthengo · 21/06/2024 18:00

Northwest and lots of support here. Window stickers ect.. I’ve noticed friends and friends and families changing their Facebook profile logo to reform - it’s weird as I’ve never seen that before.

I don’t want reform to win as I don’t think they’re be capable. I don’t think they will win either so I think it’s more of a protest vote.

I’ll never vote for Labour and greens as they have been totally captured by trans ideology. I don’t want to vote conservative because they don’t deserve it. Reform won’t win it and are incapable but I might just vote them in protest.

If Kemi Badernoch becomes leader of the Tories tomorrow I would vote Tories.

I think they know they are going to lose and are just waiting for Labour to get in make everything even worse than it is and pull Kemi out the bag for a fresh start

Noddedoffagain · 21/06/2024 18:11

dizzydizzydizzy · 20/06/2024 20:31

Never in a million years would I vote for Farage. He probably admires Hitler. He certainly admires Trump.

And he’s now blamed ‘The West’ for Putin invading Ukraine.

LifeGivesYouOranges · 21/06/2024 18:12

@Anonym00se I do not believe a move towards a USA based insurance system is what will happen - in fact I believe Reform have said that the healthcare system should remain free at the point of access (although I'll have to fact check that!). Can't say I've seen anything about Andrew Tate, so will have to read up on that.

I doubt anyone would get away with tampering with maternity leave and similar policies too much. In all honesty @Anonym00se I really don't think they stand a chance of gaining many (or any) seats - it's just they're starting the conversations no one else seems to want to have. We've had the same old rubbish from Labour and the Conservatives for so long... So I welcome a return of some common sense ideas.

Hedgeoffressian · 21/06/2024 18:14

Moier · 20/06/2024 18:55

Any of you voting Reform?
My area was always labour..( I've never voted labour).. but according to what I'm reading.. it's surprisingly gone the other way.
Will have to wait and see.
Did him being in I'm a Celebrity make him more popular..or is the extreme right the way to go?

They aren’t extreme right

ilovesooty · 21/06/2024 18:14

Oh well @LifeGivesYouOranges none of that is anything I'd want to vote for.

Thank you for explaining anyway.

Noddedoffagain · 21/06/2024 18:15

LifeGivesYouOranges · 21/06/2024 17:51

@Anonym00se to add, you say why would I vote for someone with horrible views - Keir Starmer has the most awful view of all - that men can be women. It makes an absolute mockery of women and girls rights. He must really hate us. I cannot vote for this utter denial of basic truth.

I think that ignores all the other ways in which policy works either for or against women. Voting on one thing is quite reactive and not very rational. I know this is a big issue but we have climate change, the start of WWIII, economy failing, NHS struggling, social care struggling, cost of living, people malnourished and unable to hear their homes. Are you not going to consider anything other than this one (ver divisive and difficult) issue?

ilovesooty · 21/06/2024 18:15

If the Tories elect Badenoch as leader in due course I suspect they'll be out of power for a very long time.

RafaistheKingofClay · 21/06/2024 18:18

ilovesooty · 21/06/2024 18:15

If the Tories elect Badenoch as leader in due course I suspect they'll be out of power for a very long time.

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quite. Moving towards the position of Badenoch, Patel, Braverman and reform is why the are haemorrhaging support from floating voters and their core vote. They just haven’t realised it yet and keep trying to win the reform vote over.

bergamotorange · 21/06/2024 18:21

LifeGivesYouOranges · 21/06/2024 18:12

@Anonym00se I do not believe a move towards a USA based insurance system is what will happen - in fact I believe Reform have said that the healthcare system should remain free at the point of access (although I'll have to fact check that!). Can't say I've seen anything about Andrew Tate, so will have to read up on that.

I doubt anyone would get away with tampering with maternity leave and similar policies too much. In all honesty @Anonym00se I really don't think they stand a chance of gaining many (or any) seats - it's just they're starting the conversations no one else seems to want to have. We've had the same old rubbish from Labour and the Conservatives for so long... So I welcome a return of some common sense ideas.

The Tate links have been widely reported.

Farage stated he wanted to scrap the current NHS model on both the debates I watched.

There is nothing 'common sense' (whatever that even means) about Reform's policies. They are complete fantasy in terms of finance and logistics.

Don't fall for it.

wastingtimeonhere · 21/06/2024 18:25

I certainly won't vote for them, but I know a lot who say they will be. Dissatisfied with the 2 main parties, they are looking for something else. The main parties need to step up, stop the 'they will do this' about the other and say what they will do themselves. Answer straight questions with straight answers. None appear to be able to do this. They are in danger of giving Farage headway through pure stupidity!

DelilahBucket · 21/06/2024 18:29

I would not ever vote for Reform in a million years. Our "lovely" next door neighbour has stuck stickers up in their windows for them though, but they are the type of people who most definitely would vote for them because they are stupid and racist 😔. They probably used to vote for the BNP.

LifeGivesYouOranges · 21/06/2024 18:29

@Noddedoffagain Heres the thing: I don't believe Labour will make any meaningful changes to any of the big issues. If they do, great! But I just don't think they will. I won't be voting Reform because I think they're wonderful or will solve all our problems. I'm voting for them because they're the least offensive option, for me personally.

Can I just say I appreciate the polite exchange I've had with a few of the posters here - this is what a grown up discussion should be like.

Meadowtrees · 21/06/2024 18:32

Reminder that Reform is a company with Farage as the majority shareholder - it is a business, a grift.

Farage is accountable to no one, if in some hideous outcome he was pm he’d be a dictator. He is the sole decision maker.

Gabbsters · 21/06/2024 18:34

we could see farage either as pm or in opposition

I would suggest you read up a bit. Reform will get a handful of seats if they are lucky. FPTP is not on their side.

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