To say I am fucking elated that this bunch of charlatans are on there way out

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My God I hated Thatcjer and all she stood for .. but at least I think she was honourable in her beliefs even if they were not mine .. but THIS LOT .. from BOJO onwards what a bunch of grifters ..

And before anyone says 'they are all the same ' .. I really don't think so ... At least in the 'lining their own pockets ' agenda .. AIBU to think this ?

But not evenly spread out across the country and not necessarily in the same areas as private schools. So yes taken overall there may be spaces but they are unlikely to be in exactly the same locations/catchments

Not sure being the most attractive to traffickers in a global context where climate pressure is increasing numbers will keep that mindful gratitude for long.

No country can keep its political cool if they are the most attractive to trafficking networks. Anyone can see that looking at the EU and US with numbers as they are, hence trying to stem it, I doubt we’ll be the exception.

Why would we be? It’s not going to go away as an issue because Keir is in

Surely Labour want the drop? I mean what did you think would happen

https://schoolsweek.co.uk/avoiding-vat-is-a-risky-strategy-for-private-schools-better-advice-is-available/

'State schools did not want the Theresa May cuts in real-terms funding. They didn’t want austerity at all. But you know what? That is democracy'

Did I say it was good for statenschools to be so deprived of funding? No and I think it is appalling.
What I am saying is that VAT isn't the solution to solving state school funding. The more sustainable approach is through income tax ie a ring fenced 1p education tax for higher rate tax payers, as an example. They would bring in 2-3 times more than VAT which is likely to end up being a 0 amount. However Labour won't consider that because it doesn't fit the of populist ideological policy to appease the hard left of the party.

Having a well educated population suits the whole of society so we should all contribute.

VAT is more for votes than making sense

Hence all the scrabbling around to find other reasons for the drop in enrolments.

If people understood economics more than latching on to a political gimmick they’d see it a mile off

Is the VAT enough of a reason for you to keep the Tories in?

Well quite. That's what is so interesting when people get fixated on a single issue. Sad that it has happened on this thread really when there are so many other issues. Maybe we should move on from.the private school issue since it feels like it's been done to death and wasn't the focus of the initial OP.

I have never, and will never vote Tory. However as a lifelong Labour voter they have also now lost my vote. So I am weighing up my options.

Vote tactical to GTTO

The VAT policy and trafficking policy are Labour’s biggest differentiators. The reason for that is they have little else to use. Spending will be limited in the same way as it is now.

They are both poor policy, although trafficking one will have very poor effect, especially as numbers increase.

And the Tory policies on these are bigger and better? I'm just looking forward to seeing what actually happens in reality.

Remember, Labour have no plan

They do VAT and trafficking

You’re seeing one impact already with falling enrolments and the other will the day after, as traffickers put us top of the list

0.1%

And we are already top of the list

The recent increased flow to Ireland is impacting them socially and politically.

We’ll see that reverse and much more on top as Starmer’s approach kicks in. Nowhere else is mad enough to sell that to their electorate.

Why do you think Starmer’s approach is a good idea out of interest? What do you expect will happen?

@twistyizzy provided stats for enrolment in pp

I’m not sure we’re top yet anyway. Given numbers across the Med etc.

As other countries get tougher and we go for we’ll clean up global trafficking networks we’ll give it a good go

If you are concerned about Ireland, even more reason to GTTO. Leaving the ECHR will have severe consequences for the Good Friday Agreement

As for enrolment figures, how much do you think that is down to Liz Truss’s mini budget and the CoL crisis?

No answer on why you prefer Starmer’s approach?

Random response, although if pro Labour can’t say why it’s not looking good.

Channel crossings are at what 30k ish, how high would it be before we saw social and political strain do you think?

Not much otherwise numbers would have dropped prior to this year. Most parents save up for fees and build in 5-10 % rises to ensure continuity in case of job losses etc.
It is the yearly rises PLUS 20% VAT which will be too much for many parents as that leap in % year on year won't have been budgeted for.

To add 30k arrive and 80% of 7k moved on to Ireland this year*

Imo as people let others know that flow will increase, this is standard people move to where they have someone there already

We’ll see that reverse but harder still will be Starmer’s mad position which will encourage overall flow here

*Here
*Like an estimated 80 percent of this year’s approximately 7,000 arrivals in Ireland, Christian entered the Republic of Ireland by road from the North, the only corner of the U.K. that shares a land border with an EU member. He says he paid a taxi driver £2,400 to drive him and two other Nigerians the 102 miles from Northern Ireland’s capital of Belfast across the border to Dublin — only to learn that others in the asylum queue had made the same trip by public bus for £17.

Scrapping the Rwanda plan straight away and usimg that money to tackle the aylum system and targeting the traffickers.

I am under no illusion that it is a magic wand, there is a lot to fix.

What do you dislike about his approach?

What jurisdiction do we have over a global network trafficker in Iraq?

Why would a migrant have any information beyond a fake name of some man in a camp. They pay some money and get on a boat, what happens next as they arrive?

Trafficking networks are three layers deep and little is shared between the guy on the beach, the boats suppliers and the top well funded and financed heads

And even if you shut down one boat company, arrest one smuggler on the beach or unlikely get anywhere near the top what’s to stop hundreds more filling those roles?

It’s an utterly nonsense plan. There’s a reason Starmer is the only one selling it to the electorate.

Added to that Iraq are not exactly opposed to moving against the U.K.. People movement is a good tool in disruption, we see it already backed by Russia

Thinking more on it trafficking networks are likely backed by the state

I’m amazed it’s Keir’s approach that we’ll likely get, how he thinks it’s a good idea idk

It’s an utterly nonsense plan

Of course. Far better to stick with Rishi The-plan-is-working Sunak.