To say I am fucking elated that this bunch of charlatans are on there way out

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My God I hated Thatcjer and all she stood for .. but at least I think she was honourable in her beliefs even if they were not mine .. but THIS LOT .. from BOJO onwards what a bunch of grifters ..

And before anyone says 'they are all the same ' .. I really don't think so ... At least in the 'lining their own pockets ' agenda .. AIBU to think this ?

@EasternStandard you are correct on the trafficking thing though and I agree it's an issue for lots of places. it isn't just a UK thing by any stretch- we notice it more because it involves boats etc -

I'm suprised you voted remain but hey ho- I'm open minded, I think in politics it's wrong to only be prepared to think one way- I personally feel being able to take the brightest and best from 'all' viewpoints and candidates is the way forward - sadly I guess that's not how politics here tends to work.

Tbf I’ve said before I voted remain. Trafficking is a different as a rising issue and I post on that as I think a it’s complex and interesting legally and globally and b our dc are really going to see whatever happens even more.

If you don’t believe it feel free to search my old user name and 2016, I posted more on S&B than politics (blame the pandemic for making me more interested in politics) but I reckon there’s a few posts on my remain vote.

I was pretty much a remain stick of rock I’d say, all the way through, I had a few disagreements with people irl and I rarely do that (family not included)

You what? Have you been a cave-dweller for the past 4 years? Plenty of evidence in the media, thanks. 'By their deeds you shall know them' is a very apt biblical quotation, methinks (substitute 'lack of deeds' where necessary).

And what's with the list? I am perfectly entitled to comment on politicians and their behaviour in isolation, thanks, what's it got to do with doctors, the French, or the local fishmonger? 🙄

@EasternStandard no I believe you.

The schools would be able to offset the VAT they pay on purchases against that raised on fees. They could reduce the fees to take account of that.

No need to be quite so rude!

No, I haven't been a cave dweller. I've been paying close attention to politics across the board. To help you understand, it would be wrong of me to say all Doctors are the same, all teachers are the same, all French are the same, all Asians are the same. In fact in some cases it would be considered racist to lump all of one people group together. Likewise it's wrong and lazy to say all politicians are the same.

It would be worth your while reading the response by @Bouledeneige at around 12.21, just after my post, for a good insight. Just to help you I'll try and link to it here.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/politics/5068422-to-say-i-am-fucking-elated-that-this-bunch-of-charlatans-are-on-there-way-out?reply=135111398&utm_campaign=reply&utm_medium=share

Likewise it's wrong and lazy to say all politicians are the same.

Newsflash: everyone is entitled to an opinion - even you. And thanks for the link to "help me", 😂which I haven't bothered to read. Are you always this officious?

Whilst on the subject, it's wrong and lazy for you to assume what my opinion might be on those mentioned in your "list". Are you projecting your own prejudices against these individuals?

To be fair at the rate Conservative MP's are defecting to the Labour party, there might not be any left come the end of January

The comparison with childless couples is nonsense.

Not using a tax payer funded service at point of need is a very different scenario compared with never needing to use a particular service.

The post by @Bouledeneige is a very good one. Not all politicians are the same. There are still decent people in both parties who go into politics for the right reasons, who are committed and who do their best in often thankless public service roles.

I think you have missed the point with Zonder's example. She was merely saying that it doesn't make sense to tar a wide group of people with the same brush on account of simply their profession. They are human beings and they are all different and they have their own individual moral compasses.

They are human beings and they are all different and they have their own individual moral compasses.

I agree, my local MP is Conservative, I don't agree with the majority of his voting record, however when it comes to being contactable and reactive to issues, he is actually pretty good. And as far as I am aware, hasn't got himself locked in anywhere by 'bad people'

There are still decent people in both parties who go into politics for the right reasons, who are committed and who do their best in often thankless public service roles.

And perhaps you have a vested interest in saying this? And any there are who fit the description you've given could well be in the minority, so what influence do they actually have over the bigger picture? None.

they have their own individual moral compasses.

Some have no moral compasses. We had one a few years back, if you remember.

I think you have missed the point with Zonder's example. She was merely saying that it doesn't make sense to tar a wide group of people with the same brush on account of simply their profession.

No, that's not what she says and the extract above is your words, not hers and while we're being picky, I'd say yours is rather a 'creative translation' of what Zonder said. She actually says...

And before anyone says 'they are all the same ' .. I really don't think so ... At least in the 'lining their own pockets ' agenda. Her wording seems to indicate that with the exception of the 'lining their own pockets' agenda, she concedes that in other areas there could be a case for saying they are all the same.

Oh dear. Another poster confusing opinion with facts. No point engaging.

Thank you. Spot on.

And before anyone says 'they are all the same ' .. I really don't think so ... At least in the 'lining their own pockets ' agenda. Her wording seems to indicate that with the exception of the 'lining their own pockets' agenda, she concedes that in other areas there could be a case for saying they are all the same.

I said absolutely nothing of the sort @DriftingDora - I haven't even mentioned lining their own pockets which you put on quotes. I think you're a little confused!

Jog on dearie, you're getting already are boring.

I guess some people do find facts boring. Ah well.

Yes, why let mere facts get in the way of a good rant! 😂

https://mediataylor.com/labours-vat-policy-for-private-schools-will-hit-every-homeowner-and-bankrupt-local-councils/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR1CRmKvvW1LjAjs65utCwq6f6KXv6W4Y31qxsQabaXicqm-kH6oyAflJIY_aem_AdylAsTx9rKJomp8SXWDyAqbQIR6SUYyuPOH0JB-GZ-2XSzLISuW7EUFK1JvcAhYoWb5weQbQoNTN0UeUwKpjnri

That says a huge number of kids with EHCP’s use private schools

They don’t as they won’t accept a lot of them.

Comparing it to Blair's ban on hunting is an 'interesting' take

And Almost every credible source shows, no sources mentioned

Shall we compare it to Liz Truss' minibudget when it comes to hitting homeowners and councils

Actually that's bollocks. Many SEN kids without EHCPs are in private schools because the smaller class sizes enables them to cope plus they can get 1-2-1 support without needing the proof that is required in state school. Most private schools aren't the ultra selective ones you see in London, they are made up of much more diverse cohorts.

EDK which they mention plus ASI amongst others. The authors of the IFS also admitted they had been "optimistic" in the original report and hadn't taken significant behaviour changes/SEN sufficiently into account.

This. I have had some very difficult conversations with some private schools where I've been giving evidence of how they can meet the child's needs with the EHCP provision and they've been adamant they can't for fear of bringing their achievement records down.

But no mention of the credible sources that disagree?