Trump Trial Time - banish all memories of Mueller.

[Spandauer]

Is this #132?
Still trying to rid the world of this troublesome twat.

Old thread here:
www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4912378-trump-gets-gagged-mccarthy-gets-booted-whats-next-in-trumpworld

I don’t think the judge is enjoying Stormy Daniels’ testimony much either

I think the judge is very very concerned that Trump and his legal team have just been given grounds for appeal. The defence and prosecution teams thrashed out the parameters of how much salacious detail Stormy Daniels would be asked about and she went way over the agreed line.

Trump’s not on trial for having sex with Stormy Daniels. The prosecution overstepped, she’s loose-lipped and the judge didn’t put a stop to it quickly enough.

I’m afraid this sorry spectacle has made a guilty verdict vulnerable on appeal and the judge knows it. That’s why he’s so upset.

So pissed off about the Cannon decision! I hate to sound tinfoil-hatty (again) but I think this has been the plan all along. Delay the trial until after the election with the hopes that he'll be re-elected and can shitcan all federal charges.

I just hope any and all Dems and any non-Dem anti-Trump voters get out and VOTE. We cannot afford any voter apathy or overconfidence in November.

More unwelcome news.
The Georgia Court of Appeals will take up Trump’s immediate appeal of lower court order that declined to disqualify Fulton County district attorney Fani Willis.

In March Judge McAfee determined that all proceedings in the lower court would not be put on pause while Trump and others litigate appeal. He still plans to deal with pre-trial matters. But the appellants could seek a stay from the appeals court.

So looking highly likely that Trump is not going to trial in Georgia before 2025.

As Across says Trump needs to be VOTED OUT.

That explains a lot.

I wasn't sure if it was a spoof or not!
I'm beginning to wonder if all the MAGAs have worms in their brains? It's all a bit Alien/Midwich Cuckoos territory isn't it?!

"Worm ate my brain". Is that the new "Sorry Teacher, the dog age my homework".

I'm just glad RFK isn't alive to hear the shit his son is spouting. And his poor mother, this must be so terrible for her.

This is a genuine question coming from a place of high anxiety. HOW are you in the USA going to be able to stop Trump being elected as President in November? My husband and I (to quote QEII) see no way out for America. We're convinced that nothing short of his death now will stop this man from taking the Presidency again and turning it into a cruel, racist, fascist, hereditary autocracy, with the huge possibility of his fomenting civil war on top of it, so that the States are no longer United.
It's horrifying.

It's very simple.

Ensure not enough people vote for him.

What else would you have ?

@SerendipityJane - I'm sorry if I'm being stupid here, but how do you go about that? With the best will in the world, President Biden, affable old chap that he is, is not really a credible alternative and what's more, that is the perception of most of the electorate. I take it that it's too late for a young, dynamic leader of the calibre of President Obama to come forward to lead the Democrats to victory against Trump? I fear apathy will rule, so that dyed-in-the-wool Democrats will vote for Biden but otherwise, the unconvinced won't bother to vote and Republicans are so selfish that they will either not vote at all or vote for Trump even if they dislike him because nothing can be worse than Republicans not being in power. If you see what I mean?

With the best will in the world, President Biden, affable old chap that he is, is not really a credible alternative

You know, I am getting a tad browned off with this excuse for letting fascists into power. It smacks too much of "I had to vote for Hitler as there was no alternative".

This fairy tale notion that there is a "perfect" party and candidate out there can only servers to help those that would - or are - oppressing us.

Also the fact people seem to willingly go along with it makes me suspect that for some it is a fig leaf for their deeply unpleasant views.

I agree with this. The New York Times, unfortunately, doesn't agree enough.

But I do know how to spell audaciously ...

My apologies, I should have said that President Biden is not really seen as a credible alternative. Apart from UK news, I am getting my info from the NYT and the WP, mostly.

"Also the fact people seem to willingly go along with it makes me suspect that for some it is a fig leaf for their deeply unpleasant views."

I'm sure that's true. I'm extremely perplexed at the idea that these views you rightly mention seem to have been "bubbling under" in the States and the UK at least, throughout what I, for one, believed were decades of genuine advances for human rights, non-white people's rights, women's rights, LGBT rights, religious freedoms and any other positives you might care to mention. And of course, my idea of the zeitgeist in the States is based on what I know of the East Coast, New York City in particular, and the recent events since before Trump's election clearly prove that I've got quite the wrong end of the stick.
I really hope @Wallaw is right.

I admit to still waking up every morning hoping to read that Trump has died in the night.
Realistically I know that to put an end to him, he has to be voted out by the electorate. The potential aftermath of him losing in November is already being manipulated by him and his supporters. But ultimately it won't be as horrendous as him winning.

From Washington Post:
Top Republicans, led by former president Donald Trump, are refusing to commit to accept November’s election results with six months until voters head to the polls, raising concerns that the country could see a repeat of the violent aftermath of Trump’s loss four years ago.

The question has become something of a litmus test, particularly among the long list of possible running mates for Trump, whose relationship with his first vice president, Mike Pence, ruptured because Pence resisted Trump’s pressure to overturn the 2020 election.

In a vivid recent example, Sen. Tim Scott (R-S.C.) was pressed at least six times in a TV interview Sunday on whether he would accept this November’s results. He repeatedly declined to do so, only saying he was looking forward to Trump being president again.

Encouragingly, Biden's poll numbers are rising
https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-gets-biggest-ever-poll-lead-over-trump-battleground-state-1898694
and the Dems are currently dominating fund raising over the GOP.
https://www.axios.com/2024/04/23/house-democrats-republicans-2024-fundraising-q1

Most MSM outlets in the US and around the world treated/reported Trump as if he was an unbelievable clown in 2016 and it seems to me like they've not changed their approach that much - still reporting on his 2024 antics and utterances as if they are a somewhat humorous interlude.

People like Stephen Miller, Roger Stone, Steve Bannon, Kelly-Anne Conway, Mike Pompeo (remember them?!) etc. etc. are all still there in the shadows waiting for Trump's call. Not to mention his appalling family! 😡🤮

Why did the allies not assassinate Hitler in WW2 ? Pretty much the same reason. There had to be total surrender to total war. In fact the reason we are here is because the Union did not crush the Confederacy.

If Trump really wanted to unleash hell, then he would die, mysteriously, in the next few weeks.

Yes, but then he wouldn't be able to revel in the destruction and chaos, which wouldn't suit him at all.

Well, exactly. It seems his aims, and those of his opponents are aligned for now.

I suspect Putin has also put a ring of steel around him anyway, as predicted in "Sherlock".

It will be 'interesting' to see who ends up as Trump's running mate.

None of the names currently in the mix seem to me like they would have a universal appeal among the all various and varied groups of MAGA/Evangelical/GOP voters. Will Trump be so full of himself to think he could get away with a family member as VP this time?

https://amp.theguardian.com/global/article/2024/may/08/trump-has-yet-to-decide-his-vp-pick-and-its-turning-into-a-pageant-of-its-own

It will be 'interesting' to see who ends up as Trump's running mate.

Running mate or cell mate ?

I like your style. 🤞🏻

Looks like Trump has a puppet to do the talking on his behalf. Wonder what the judge will make of that.

"Senator Rick Scott spoke to reporters outside the Manhattan courthouse after accompanying Donald Trump to court this morning.
Scott claimed Trump’s legal problems are because he is challenging Joe Biden in the November election, and suggested the trial is “pure political persecution”.
The Florida politician echoed Trump’s attacks on Judge Juan Merchan’s daughter, who has worked for a digital marketing agency that works with Democratic political candidates.
Scott said:
The judge’s daughter is a political operative and raises money for Democrats … You got the lead prosecutor’s wife, is a significant donor to Democrats, I think to Biden. So this is just a bunch of Democrats saying we want to make sure that Donald Trump can’t talk."

From the Guardian.

@Jaichangecentfoisdenom

Others have answered your question about stopping Trump pretty well. But I'll throw in my 2 cents anyway.

If you're asking if there's some way to simply stop him from being elected in 2024 in the first place, not really. He's a 'legitimate' candidate supported by a 'legitimate' political party and he meets the Constitutional requirements. Even should the GOP turn against him and nominate another person as their candidate, that wouldn't stop him from running 3rd party a la Nader, Sanders, et al although that would greatly decrease his chances of winning.

No, the only 'real' way to keep him out of the Oval Office is to get out the vote. Anti-Trump voters (regardless of party) must be motivated to get out and vote. And getting out the vote means visible campaigning by Biden/Harris and party activists canvassing and calling voters to drum up support. And I don't think that Joe or Kamala are doing all they should be doing. They need to simply be more 'visible'. Maybe they're saving that for later, IDK. But we cannot avoid voter apathy nor over-confidence. I will say that around here that over-confidence is now starting to wane and more people are beginning to realize "Shit, that could actually happen (again)!!!".

You know, I've mentioned before the lack of 'Trump trucks' with flags flying & bumper stickers proudly displayed. Also not seeing the street corners with supporters waving flags and holding signs. I'm beginning to think this is a concerted effort by the GOP and pro-Trump organizations to stifle these displays in order to build a feeling of "Huh, I don't see as many assholes as in 2020. I guess they're starting to wake up" and hopefully feed that overconfidence and apathy.

My DBIL, who travels across country by road, (Arizona to Florida) has also commented on the lack of yard signs/bumper stickers etc for Trump compared to 2020.

I wonder if it's still too early and they'll appear after Trump picks his running mate at the Republican convention in July?

Speaking of which - looks like Barron has gone over to the Dark Side...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-68982873.amp

"But we cannot avoid voter apathy nor over-confidence." Oops

Too late to edit my post. Should read

"We cannot AFFORD voter apathy or over-confidence"

Speaking of which - looks like Barron has gone over to the Dark Side..

Don't think he has much choice at this point. Daddy's still paying the bills for his schooling. And who knows what's in the 'marital agreement' as far as Melania being penalized if Barron 'misbehaves'.

I wonder if it's still too early and they'll appear after Trump picks his running mate at the Republican convention in July?

That's a possibility. Although most of the flying flags of the past simply said "Trump 20XX". His running mate never really loomed large on those flags and I suppose he likes it that way. Not one to share the spotlight.

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1788676737221656947

Lashing out at the judge is definitely the way to get him onside. SO innocent.