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Trump Trial Time - banish all memories of Mueller.

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Spandauer · 19/04/2024 16:29

Is this #132?
Still trying to rid the world of this troublesome twat.

Old thread here:
www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4912378-trump-gets-gagged-mccarthy-gets-booted-whats-next-in-trumpworld

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Notonthestairs · 27/07/2024 10:38

DuncinToffee · 27/07/2024 10:24

No mentioning of this comment on the BBC or Sky News website, have other MSN outlets reported it?

If only trying to explain what else it could mean?

Nothing that I can find. Puff piece on Vance in The Times

I think it's a huge failure on the part of the media not to be asking questions here.

Efacsen · 27/07/2024 10:51

Twitter had conniptions about it last night but that was swamped by all the Olympic opening stuff and fairly quickly disappeared

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 27/07/2024 12:22

There is no point playing that to Trump cultists; they will approve of it.

But playing it to any independent or wavering Democrat or Republican seems to me important; playing it and explaining that he has said the quiet part out loud and that he intends if he is elected to bring the democratic experiment to an end in America, and do away with voting, might encourage them not to vote for him, and that has got to be a good thing.

PerkingFaintly · 27/07/2024 13:23

Notonthestairs · 27/07/2024 10:38

Nothing that I can find. Puff piece on Vance in The Times

I think it's a huge failure on the part of the media not to be asking questions here.

It really is. This isn't silly name-calling. He's said something that actually matters.

Why isn't the press all over this?

Wallaw · 27/07/2024 14:20

There will be coverage of it, but in longer form, more in-depth reporting and analysis that most people will never see. I'm sure Rachel Maddow, Nicolle Wallace, the Pod Save America guys, Tim Alberta etc. will talk about it. But I think the majority of the mainstream media suffers from two things when it comes to their coverage

  1. Trump and his allies flood the zone with so much outrageousness and shit and lies and illegality, the outlets can't keep up. As soon as they cover one thing, there's something else
  2. Some kind of inability to see the gravity of the moment. For the most part, they can't believe deep down that the norms and institutions that have protected democracy (and them) are this close to being toppled, so they treat the most outrageous stuff as beyond the bounds of needing to be taken seriously

I actually had to turn off a podcast yesterday that I generally really like. The three hosts, Emily Bazelon, John Dickerson and Margaret Sullivan, all extremely reputable journalists, were engaging in a conversation about Biden stepping down in which they were saying Ds and Rs are much the same in that they both act out of fealty - R's to one leader and D's to the party. That the only reason the party 'forced' Biden to step down was because they want to win - never mind a discussion of why they need to win so desperately. Giving Biden no credit for his actions. Then they went on to Does Biden have the mental acuity to finish out his presidency and is Harris implicated in covering for his deteriorating state and how much will that hurt her?

Wallaw · 27/07/2024 14:25

That said, I do think it's 50/50 whether he meant, in his rambling demented mentally-declined way, that there will be no need to vote because he won't be eligible to run again and doesn't give the smallest shit what happens to the country after he's cleared himself of all his legal problems or whether he meant it's because he'll be a dictator for life.

Is that the same speech where he went on about the pronunciation of Kamala Harris's name and calling her a bum? That was some serious misogynistic and racist word salad.

namechangedtemporarily123 · 27/07/2024 15:06

The Guardian have just covered the story

Notonthestairs · 27/07/2024 15:31

namechangedtemporarily123 · 27/07/2024 15:06

The Guardian have just covered the story

It's a good article and gives the wider context.

I'd like to have seen it pulled apart on the front pages.

But yes I see how they just flood the media with so much rubbish, lots of the inane or terrifying remarks get through without any kind of analysis or pushback.

www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/27/trump-speech-no-need-to-vote-future

prettybird · 27/07/2024 15:45

As an aside, is anyone else here an NCIS fan and therefore hate the references to Vance as a bad 'un? Confused

BruceAndNosh · 27/07/2024 17:21

I'm sure if questioned about it, Trump Allies would insist that "fixed it" means they will have sorted out all that's wrong with the US that the Democrats did, and everyone will want to vote Republican so they will win in a landslide...

BruceAndNosh · 27/07/2024 17:23

Trump really has reduced the GOP to yaboo politics, calling his opponent a bum.
At least in the UK, not matter how much you dislike another MP across the floor, you have to refer to them as The Honourable Member for wherever

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 27/07/2024 18:14

Following the Grauniad trail, I just happened upon this. A bit dark and discouraging. Is she right, do you think?
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jul/27/misogyny-emergency-huge-outpouring-kamala-harris-us-electionction

prettybird · 27/07/2024 18:50

I think she's right to raise misogyny as an issue but there are reasons to be positive.

  1. Clinton won the popular vote in 2016 but having lost the Rust Belt - arguably because she took it for granted and didn't bother campaigning there - lost the electoral college and so Trump got in. That strategic error is not going to be made again.
  1. Since 2016, Trump has stacked the Supreme Court and allowed Roe v Wade to be overturned. Many women are now beginning to recognise the risk that Trump (and Vance) is to their rights. Hence the Democrats performing better than expected at the last mid-terms.
  1. Kamala has time to make a considered pick for her Vice-President running mate, which can help address some of the misogyny and racism.
  1. Trump himself might be her biggest "weapon". He is now the "doddery old guy" who has picked a real misogynist as his running mate (takes one to know one). It means that they can't pretend to care about women or their rights.
  1. Great numbers of young people are registering fit the first time.

I've read somewhere that the result will be determined by c600,000 undecided/independent voters in the swing states Shock. They're all that matters at the moment Hmm

Kamala has got off to a good start. A good VP pick (a white man from a swing state?) will help.

I'll still be on tenterhooks (along with the rest of the world) until the results are in though. Sad

Spandauer · 28/07/2024 22:42

On Fox News no less. (Himself won't be happy)

and there were reports at the weekend that even in the Florida Villages there were some positive stirrings for Kamala.
www.villages-news.com/2024/07/27/excited-crowd-in-the-villages-shows-up-for-kamala-harris-rally/#:~:text=You%20don't%20have%20to,newly%2Dnamed%20candidate%20for%20president.

I'm getting the same anxious feeling Labour's poll progress in the U.K. election gave, where the Ming vase had to be oh so carefully carried!

Trump Trial Time - banish all memories of Mueller.
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BruceAndNosh · 28/07/2024 23:16

Trump should have had a big surge in support after getting the nomination officially and naming his VP. But his nomination was so assured there was no excited surge, plus Vance has been a dud.
Yet Harris still has that to come - I expect there will be another uptick for her after the DNC nomination in August especially if her VP pick hits the right note

Spandauer · 29/07/2024 13:18

As the report states - any changes are basically aspirational at this point. But if the issues are open for discussion and with sensible reporting (I can hope!) maybe there'll be some reform...eventually. Even if it was only the ethics bit.
(Kavanaugh would still get 18 years on the SC bench though 😡)

President Biden endorsed sweeping changes to the Supreme Court on Monday, calling for 18-year term limits for the justices and a binding, enforceable ethics code for the high court.

He is also pushing for a constitutional amendment that would prohibit blanket immunity for presidents, a rebuke of the Supreme Court after it ruled this month that former president Donald Trump is immune from prosecution for official acts.

For Biden, who has long resisted calls to reform the Supreme Court, the announcement Monday marked a major shift in his posture toward one of America’s three branches of government.
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The calls, however, are largely aspirational at this stage given the long odds they face in implementation. Term limits and an ethics code are subject to congressional approval, and the Republican-controlled House is unlikely to support either. Both proposals also require 60 votes to pass the Senate, and Democrats only hold 51 seats in the upper chamber. Passing a constitutional amendment requires clearing even more hurdles, including two-thirds support of both chambers, or via a convention of two-thirds of the states, and then approval by three-fourths of state legislatures.

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Biden’s proposed amendment, which Biden is calling the “No One Is Above the Law Amendment,” states the “Constitution does not confer any immunity from federal criminal indictment, trial, conviction, or sentencing by virtue of previously serving as president.”
(WaPo)

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AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 29/07/2024 13:42

Spandauer
(Kavanaugh would still get 18 years on the SC bench though 😡)

He assumed office in 2018, so only twelve years more unless it ran from the day the bill was passed into law. What would happen about Clarence Thomas (assumed office in 1991) 0r Alito (2006)?

It ain't going to happen unless Harris gets a really huge landslide. Work for a really huge landslide for Harris!

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 29/07/2024 14:02

Maybe I'm living in an echo-chamber (more than likely), but I have high hopes of Harris trouncing Trump.
Am I imagining things, or do you think President Biden is getting down to the nitty gritty of what he'd like to get done in opposition to the Republicans, now he's not saddled with trying to retain the Presidency? Or have I just made that up and it's completely illogical? (Sleep-derived at the moment, hence marginally less coherent than usual.)

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 29/07/2024 14:33

Biden is going to go on doing what he has done for the past eighteen months and more: governing as well as possible when Congress is inimical, and has achieved almost nothing this session. He has done a vast amount of good stuff during his term, and after people have got over believing the Republican (and probably Russian) insistence that he is senile and getting into a panic about it, the ones who are not nuts will look back on him as one of the better presidents during their lifetimes, if not the best up to now.

I am unsure if everything on this list from another place has actually happened, and how much is his wish-list, but compared to Trump's litany of failure...

  • Student Debt relief
  • Largest environmental investment in 50 years
  • Lowered cost of healthcare and prescription drugs.
  • 13.5 million jobs, over 1.5 million in manufacturing, construction, R & D.
  • Wages are outpacing inflation.
  • The stock market is in record high territory. And yes, it does affects everyone.
  • Most small businesses created in US history.
  • Record boom in construction of heavy industry and green tech.
  • Unemployment under 4% for 19 months in a row, a 60 year low.
  • Black unemployment rate at record, low 5%.
  • Highest labor participation in 20 years.
  • Average hourly earnings rose again, over 4% from last year.
  • Inflation down to 3.3%.
  • Record 1.8T deficit reduction, reversing Trump 3.8T disaster.
  • 1.5 billion for the border security Mexico is paying for!
  • Uninsured rate falls to 8% – the lowest in history.
  • Enacted overtime rules, and made it easier for workers to form unions.
  • 17 million more households have access to High-speed Internet.
  • Record number of federal judges confirmed.
  • Passed Inflation Reduction Act, capping insulin at $35.
  • Passed Protecting Americas, First Responders Act of 2021.
  • Passed Infrastructure Bill.
  • Passed American rescue plan.
  • Passed Covid Relief Bill.
  • Passed Chips and Science Act.
  • Passed Gun reform.
  • Passed Pact Act for Veterans.
  • Passed Respect for Marriage Act.
  • Rejoined the Paris Climate Accord.
  • Wages are outpacing inflation.
  • Signed Aukus submarine deal.
  • Ukraine, and expanding NATO
  • Reversed Trump’s Muslim Ban
  • The IRS is sending out more than 125,000 notices to individuals who made $400,000 or more and failed to file returns between 2017 and 2021. This, after Trump & Republicans gave the wealthy a giant tax cut without closing any loopholes. It's estimated that the richest Americans are dodging $150 billion worth of taxes every year.
  • $8 cap on overdraft fees
  • The White House launched a "strike force" on pricing, which took aim at junk fees, credit-card late fees and many other costs.

Edited to add: I don't know why the spacing is as it is. It didnt look like that when I was copying it in.

Zonder · 29/07/2024 18:51

Amazing when you see it all written out like that @AskingQuestionsAllTheTime

AcrossthePond55 · 29/07/2024 20:46

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-may-replace-jd-vance-within-10-days-chuck-schumer-1931248

Schumer 'predicts' Trump will replace Vance within 10 days.

Nice piece of reverse psychology there, Sen Schumer. Well played, sir! Well played.

Schumer has also said that picking Vance was 'the best thing Trump could have done for Democrats'.

Chuck Schumer

Donald Trump may replace JD Vance within 10 days—Chuck Schumer

Schumer said that Trump's selection of the Ohio senator as his running mate "may be one of the best things he ever did for Democrats."

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-may-replace-jd-vance-within-10-days-chuck-schumer-1931248

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 29/07/2024 21:50

Oh, that's neat! "Please, Brer Fox, don't throw me in the briar patch..."

If Trump tries to work out what Schumer actually wants, we'll be able to tell: his eyes will start to revolve in opposite directions.

BruceAndNosh · 29/07/2024 22:25

Trump must be desperate to replace Vance but the fuss the GOP made about Biden stepping down makes it extra awkward

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 29/07/2024 22:53

Hurrah! Anything which makes anything awkward for Trump definitely has my support.

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