Trump Trial Time - banish all memories of Mueller.

[Spandauer]

Is this #132?
Still trying to rid the world of this troublesome twat.

Old thread here:
www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4912378-trump-gets-gagged-mccarthy-gets-booted-whats-next-in-trumpworld

One for you @AcrossthePond55 😉

Bwah hahaha Yep. That'll be me, alright!

Anyone going to be up at 2am to watch the debate live?!

No. Time enough tomorrow morning to discover that Trump chickened out, I feel.

It's at 6 pm 'my time'.

MSNBC did a mock up with 2 commentators at the debate podiums. They're cutting the mikes when a speaker's time is up and they showed what that will sound like. Both commentators spoke in a normal tone of voice, one mike on, one off and you could just barely hear the 'cut mike' speaker. About like someone speaking in a normal tone of voice behind a heavy closed door, just muffled sound and you couldn't make out a single word. That's going to drive Trump nuts. I don't know if he'll be able to be silent or if he's going to start shouting to be heard.

There is also going to be no audience. Some have said that this may work for Trump as his 'stream of (un)consciousness' is usually due to getting a response from the crowd, making him ramp up to get even more of a reaction. The fact that there's no audience may make it easier for him to stay 'on topic'. Although I don't think he's very good at 'on topic' in any situation. I can't see him answering any of the questions 'directly', he'll turn it to Hunter, personal insults aimed at Joe, or some other bullshit.

I'm going to give it the old college try. But my college days are far behind me so not sure how well that'll go. lol

Decided to chicken out here and read the obituaries tomorrow morning! Giving headspace to 2 political nightmares at once is taking its toll... at least our (UK) nightmare will be over soon! 🤞🏻

I can't see Trump keeping on track - his only main topic is himself and how he's being persecuted. He's a political prisoner don'tcha know?

It won't be pretty.

Read that Biden will probably be targeting Trump's conflicting abortion views as it's an area that is dodgy ground (vote wise) for him and the Republicans. It will be interesting to see if Trump manages to avoid answering any questions around women's right to abortion and birth control etc.

Ooof.

DH may be right about Joe. Democrats may need to stage an intervention.

Meanwhile, the liar still lies.
What a fecking mess!

Looks like the "Wonder drug" Trump insisted Biden was going to take didn't work.
The post mortem on the debate don't sound good for Biden. Fluent speech is one of his weaknesses while fluent lying is Trump's strength.
Fuck.
We're screwed

I have only seen a few clips but that was bad, very worrying.

Some guy who led Arnie's campaign to be governor years ago said on radio 4 this morning that nobody can remove Biden now except Jill and Joe. That's their system.

Tragic. He needs gently leading out and replacing with some dynamic (relative) youngster who could tie knots in Trump the convicted fellon.

Edited because I've decided I need to start giving him his full title.

Finally it's being said out loud - and, of course, media has gone completely doolally over it - even the NYT now has an editorial saying Biden should step down as the Democratic nominee.

Presumably there will be frantic conversations going on behind closed doors and journos camped outside potential replacements' houses waiting for any tiny signs of "movement " but the decision is still Biden's to make and currently he has to carry on. Don't think anyone will know anything until it does or doesn't happen. The stakes are too high.

Any new candidate would have to be a young (in comparison to Biden and Trump), white male (IMO) - that basically leaves Gavin Newsom... who Trump hates and probably fears.
Going with a female candidate seems too risky for a country that has never had a female president and is still in thrall to old white men.

A depressing scenario.

"A depressing scenario." Fair enough, @Spandauer, but to my mind, not nearly as depressing nor as disastrous for democracy as if Trump were to get in again because the Democrats couldn't get it together and left Biden in the race, surely? (I have to say I know nothing about Gavin Newsom but if Trump hates/fears him, he must be a good thing, no?)
Off to google Gavin Newsom.

Totally agree.
Just worried that it's come to this, at this late stage. Although it was already part of the conversation in some circles back when Biden said he would run again.

I stayed up to watch it (in the UK) and it was so awful I was just despondent yesterday even before those awful supreme court decisions which were like the dog shit icing on the cow shit cake. I've listened to a lot of Biden speeches and interviews over the last year and while I don't find him to be an amazing speaker, he's usually pretty in command of his information, so I couldn't believe how genuinely awful he was. I still struggle to understand what happened, but found this from the fabulous Heather Cox Richardson a really interesting (and credible) explanation. Still not sure where this leaves us, though.

OK, I see what you mean about Gavin Newsom, @Spandauer - particularly taken aback by the statistic that apparently he would definitely lose to Trump, according to some poll or other.
Just had a look at this article from The Economist, though I've no idea what to make of it! I think you might need to register to read it, I'm not sure. Will cut and paste if anyone is interested.
https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2024/06/29/who-could-plausibly-replace-joe-biden

The strangest fact about Gavin Newsom is that his ex wife is Kimberly Gilfoyle, Trump jrs bonkers girlfriend.

I think the answer is probably that nobody except Joe Biden has the popular mandate from the primaries to run for President.

And it seems to me that he has made a pretty good job so far, a great deal better than the Thing he is running against did.

Well, I didn't see the debate. It was on at 6pm and I was fast asleep in my chair. I don't know why I was so tired but there it is.

I haven't watched it (we have it on DVRr for late but we're up camping) and not sure if I'm going to. I've seen a few clips and read a lot of the reports. I have no idea what happened but the speech he gave the next day showed he was able to communicate.

I really don't think there is another viable candidate. Gavin is 'my' governor and I'd vote for him in a heartbeat, but for some reason his time has not yet come. I think he's preparing for 2028 (or beyond). Kamala wasn't given a real chance to 'shine' these last years, but then again, the role of VP is to 'not be visible' and be trotted out occasionally to back up the POTUS' vision and she's done that pretty well. One of the 'issues' with Kamala is that she was extremely tough on crime as CA AG and unfortunately she alienated a good percentage of some members of minority communities due to incarceration rates.

No, there's no one to replace Joe who has a snowball's chance in hell. I do think Joe is mentally up to the job on a day to day basis, I just think he's a poor public speaker. This sounds terrible, but as it stands I'd vote for Joe even if he was completely 'non compos mentis' because I do believe that Kamala is up to the 'top job'. And people need to remember that. Get Joe elected and inaugurated. Review the situation, and invoke the 25th if need be a bit down the line. I know that sounds terrible, but we need to do whatever we can to keep Trump out of office.

Am I terrified at this point? Absolutely! But I just don't see any other way.

And you can say this without being accused of being a "Biden apologist" by a troll, and mocked for it, which I find heartening.

@AskingQuestionsAllTheTime

Completely agree with everything you said. I do worry though that the Dems' angst over this is going to be as damaging as the debate, if not more so.

It's a bit "the only thing we have to fear is fear itself", isn't it.

I do recommend one Beau of the Fifth Column commentary about this subject:

I know a lot of people find him infuriating, but this appealed to me.

There is also

near the end, when he is talking about the Three Voters.

I agree Across.

The media need to calm down and focus on calling out the Fat Arse's lies instead. But that's not what's getting them column inches at the moment.

Yes - Gavin Newsom's choice of (ex) wife is hopefully not a red flag re his critical thinking!

At this point, I'd vote for Joe Biden's severed foot over Trump, but I'm pretty worried. I think the media is one problem, but the manipulation and repetition on tiktok, in the hands of the Russians and Chinese, etc. is going to be hugely problematic.

Re Newsom, I'm an east coaster and he seems to have done a decent job with a large and difficult state, but he's somehow always struck me as the kind of guy who would chat you up in a bar while his partner was in the toilet...

I have to admit, I assumed that after Biden won in 202p, I fully expected him to do a couple of years then stand down to let Harris finish out the four years. If she remains his VP, expect the GOP to start saying "vote Biden, get Harris".