Trump Trial Time - banish all memories of Mueller.

[Spandauer]

Is this #132?
Still trying to rid the world of this troublesome twat.

Old thread here:
www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4912378-trump-gets-gagged-mccarthy-gets-booted-whats-next-in-trumpworld

And a competent and intelligent professional woman is so much worse than an incompetent narcissistic idiot failed real estate peddler who can't even reliably spell "coffee" or read through his tweets before posting them.... and who thinks you can drop a nuke on a hurricane to deflect it... and (I could go on for several days, but you get the idea.)

@Wallaw

Re Newsom, I'm an east coaster and he seems to have done a decent job with a large and difficult state, but he's somehow always struck me as the kind of guy who would chat you up in a bar while his partner was in the toilet...

He's a great Gov and we'll vote for him when he makes his WH run. He's doing a great job with CA, which has the 5th largest economy in the world. He'll be a great POTUS, when his times comes.

Re the chatting up, it's the hair. He's got that slicked back & gelled kinda hairstyle that sort of says "Hey Baby, whatchoo doin'?". He needs a new stylist.

Yeah but, I mean, she's a WOMAN. Hormones and all that. She may start a WAR if it's her time of the month or you know, menopause!!

Let's face it, if the country wasn't ready in 2016 for Hilary, who had the brains, chops, and foreign affairs experience to be POTUS AND was white to boot, I'm not sure it's ready for an also qualified (as a former VP) non-white woman, even 8 years later.

The patriarchy is still strong in the US and there are still many women who get their opinions from the men in their lives.

I'm giving this whole debate thing some time. Hopefully something new and sparkly will catch the media's attention.

Apparently Supreme Court have decided they have stalled enough and will be issuing ruling on presidential immunity today.
If they grant total immunity, I hope Biden has got Seal Team 6 on speed dial...

All media keep referring to Trump's Presidential immunity but surely they can't grant their immunity to ONE president and not all presidents?

So, Supreme Court says there exists partial immunity – no immunity for unofficial acts.

"Under our constitutional structure of separated powers, the nature of Presidential power entitles a former President to absolute immunity from criminal prosecution for actions within his conclusive and preclusive constitutional authority. And he is entitled to at least presumptive immunity from prosecution for all his official acts. There is no immunity for unofficial acts,"

Full judgement here:
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/23-939_e2pg.pdf
(I haven't read it.)

The bunfight will now be about what constitute "actions within his conclusive and preclusive constitutional authority".

Trump will insist that whilst he was president ALL of his actions were official.
What a fucking mess.
And why did it take 6 months to come up with such bollocks?

No, they can't limit the scope to Trump, although I'm sure they'd love to!

I am dreading this. This is the final day of Sessions for SCOTUS. Final day is never good for rulings that are expected to be 'groundbreaking' or 'contentious'. IIRC the decision that overturned R v W was also issued on the last day of Sessions. I predict that the decision will be released around 5 pm Eastern, assuming that's when court adjourns.

It's out

When do we lose the ability to be shocked and horrified? We must be getting close to that threshold.

So now Trump's lawyers will very slowly list everything he's ever done wrong and insist it was an Official Act

I'm so fucking tired of this "Supreme" Court and its wanky decisions.

Bollocks!🤬🤬🤬

Still praying that the Grim Reaper has got Trump on his list for October. (And no, I wouldn't save him if he was dying in front of me - sorry, not sorry) 😡

Via Kyle Griffin

READ: The final words in Justice Sotomayor's dissent: "Never in the history of our Republic has a President had reason to believe that he would be immune from criminal prosecution if he used the trappings of his office to violate the criminal law. Moving forward, however, all former Presidents will be cloaked in such immunity. If the occupant of that office misuses official power for personal gain, the criminal law that the rest of us must abide will not provide a backstop. "With fear for our democracy, I dissent."

And another part of her dissent

"Orders the Navy’s Seal Team 6 to assassinate a political rival? Immune. Organizes a military coup to hold onto power? Immune. Takes a bribe in exchange for a pardon? Immune. Immune, immune, immune."

I hope Biden is making a list a crimes to commit against Trump

https://x.com/ProfMMurray/status/1807790387538350242

Biden's first immune act should be to dismiss the Supreme Court

Would Biden now be immune from prosecution if he were to (for example) order a hit on an ex-president?

That is Sotomeyer’s hypothetical situation.

I strongly suspect that this ruling does not apply to Democrat presidents though.

the hush money case was not in in capacity if president, right?

so it can't be removed?

lawfare will have a good analysis on their podcast today.

I don't know if anyone knows the answer to that yet as I guess it depends on whether the prosecution used facts that now fall under the header of immunity in building their case. What an absolute mess.

But I agree, the lawfare analysis will be interesting. I did see a tweet by Quinta Jurecic yesterday saying she was trying to pick through the Jan. 6 case.

Trumps Lawyers are seeking to set aside the hush money verdict
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/01/trump-hush-money-supreme-court-immunity

So they're arguing that his choice to mislabel hush money payments as election expenses is somehow an officially sanctioned presidential action? Good luck with that!

No it's more that Mondays ruling specified that if a president is charged with possible criminal action that lies OUTSIDE his official capacity, the prosecution cannot use as evidence actions that DID fall within his presidential remit. Which is bloody bonkers.
So emails to Cohen for example were legitimate Presidential business, so shouldn't have been allowed into evidence. Etc
@Wallaw post upthread referred to this hidden bombshell