Is Angela Raynor a liar or is it all anti Labour media bias?

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I’m well aware how anti Labour a lot of the main stream media seem to be so I wasn’t paying much attention previously to all the stuff about how she should have paid capital gains tax on her house, etc. she was adamant that she didn’t need to.

So it seems like she said it was her main residence so not liable for capital gains tax. But her husband and kids lived in a house a short distance away apparently for the first five years of their marriage which is unusual. A neighbour who lived next to her “husband’s” house said it was the main family home and Angela definitely lived there.

I’ll be sad if she has lied. Always thought she was on the side of the ordinary person. I guess the police/tax man might have a hard time proving anything though regardless of the neighbour’s statement. If all bills, etc were in the individual names there’s no evidence.

This is the author of that unauthorised biography who started it off

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5052241/Lord-Ashcroft-hides-toilet-asked-tax.html

Haha 😂 not dissimilar to the attempt at the Angela Raynor ‘non’ story then.

Tory voters who defend the atrocious behaviour of the party make me feel sick.

I haven’t said anything about Angela Raynor. Though I very much doubt that a Tory MP in the same position would be given a pass on MN.

The ‘atrocious behaviour’ of the Tories - as in wrongdoing - is nearly all made up. They may be incompetent and bereft of ideas, but the moral high ground so loved by Labour supporters is an illusion.

I always think it’s instructive that most of those convicted of expenses fraud were Labour MPs.

Yeah I am still waiting for the great reveal where we find out she was educated at Eton and Oxford and then daddy got her a job at his bank....

Oh wait, that's the Tories. ..

The ‘atrocious behaviour’ of the Tories - as in wrongdoing - is nearly all made up

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Yes, like this well known labour MP who claimed expenses to have his moat cleaned....

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2009/may/19/douglas-hogg-mps-expenses

The ‘atrocious behaviour’ of the Tories - as in wrongdoing - is nearly all made up.

But it’s not though, is it.

Ever since the story the other day about Labour being 99% certain to win the GE, there has been a flurry of pro-Tory activity on MN.

Give it up lads, you're toast.

Err Douglas Hogg was a Tory.

A lie can travel halfway round the world before the truth gets its boots on…

See accusation of government collusion in Covid fraud, for example.

No way

But I thought no Tories had been implicated in expenses scandals? And @WhatsTheUseOfWorrying said all their wrongdoing was made up?

The shock! I thought the Tories had an impeccable record. My goodness!

@CurlewKate I don’t have evidence for something I didn’t say. You have not quoted me.

Second homes and CGT and housing allowances have been problematic for many MPs. Two houses for married couples means one will attract CGT when sold. That’s how it works for AR and everyone else.

All politicians are liars

Re Angela Raynor - When I got married my husband had a house and I had my flat. My flat is closer to where i work and the house is closer to where he works. My main residence is the flat his is the house. It only just works out that way, but it’s not a scam. I love my flat!

What about Viggers and his duck house? Have you forgotten that one as,well @WhatsTheUseOfWorrying

I think you are winding us up.

If you’re going to quote me at least do it accurately. I said ‘most’ of the MPs convicted of expenses fraud were Labour. Do you disagree with that?

I completely accept that there are corrupt Tories, at all levels. But it’s not true that lying, fraud, theft, sexual misconduct etc doesn’t happen in other parties. Local government is awash with fraud, for instance, irrespective of who’s in charge.

What I find so depressing is the cult-like way that Labour demonises Tories as inherently morally bad and themselves as inherently morally good. If you want, say, re-directed public spending or different asylum rules and policy, go for it. If you want morally good MPs and ministers you’ll be disappointed whoever you vote for. Assuming you don’t turn a blind eye to your favoured party’s misconduct of course.

But when you come to sell you'll have to decide which is your main residence and, as a married couple, you're only allowed one between you.

"cult like" ? I am not a labour supporter I'm a floating voter.

What?! I thought that was the same as the moat dude. I assume there was a nice little duck house on the moat. I didn't realise there were two different Tories who thought such wild extravagances should be funded by the tax payer

not to mention Boris and whatshernames insane redecoration of number 10

No, not made up.

I have a recently ‘ex Tory MP friend’.

• Off shore (yacht) for business deals ( to be outside of MP guidance)
• Tory government ran down one particular service to schools. MP created a business to sell the same business to schools, just sold the business for £5m.
• Setting up a new business, with Arab states, fronted by Boris

Again, at least look at what I actually said and just try to address it accurately.

I said that “most” MPs convicted - i.e. found guilty of offences - of expenses fraud were Labour. I’m not denying that Tories had their hands in the till as well.

I haven’t said anything about Angela Raynor. Though I very much doubt that a Tory MP in the same position would be given a pass on MN.

I must have missed the threads on McVey and Davies

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13221399/Esther-McVey-claims-tens-thousands-pounds-rent-MP-expenses.html

How many of those involved in the expenses scandal (not just convicted) were Labour MPs and how many were Tory?

If you mean how widespread was expenses fraud within each party, I couldn’t tell you. If you mean how many MPs were prosecuted, look it up. But you have to add in some later ones, like Jared O’Mara.

Do you have a link for that? It certainly appears from the news over the past couple of years that there are far more Tory MPs involved in fraud. Happy to be proved wrong if you have actual evidence.