Is Angela Raynor a liar or is it all anti Labour media bias?

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I’m well aware how anti Labour a lot of the main stream media seem to be so I wasn’t paying much attention previously to all the stuff about how she should have paid capital gains tax on her house, etc. she was adamant that she didn’t need to.

So it seems like she said it was her main residence so not liable for capital gains tax. But her husband and kids lived in a house a short distance away apparently for the first five years of their marriage which is unusual. A neighbour who lived next to her “husband’s” house said it was the main family home and Angela definitely lived there.

I’ll be sad if she has lied. Always thought she was on the side of the ordinary person. I guess the police/tax man might have a hard time proving anything though regardless of the neighbour’s statement. If all bills, etc were in the individual names there’s no evidence.

I read somewhere that her home improvements-new kitchen etc-could have offset the CGT requirement and this is what her tax advisors would have used so she didn't pay CGT.

That was the aim of the smear.

It would have taken a fair old spend to match the difference between what she paid for it and what she sold it for, the sort of spend that is likely to be way beyond the poor nothern working class care assistant we're led to believe she was at the time.

Maybe she took out a second mortgage to pay for improvements. That would have also reduced the CGT due when she sold up.

Its possible, absolutely. Hopefully we'll find out.

That was the aim of the smear.

Against Akshata Murty?

Yes it was likely the aim. It worked, it also damaged a politician

Can’t help thinking that pushing the AR story too hard just highlights the fact that it’s not ‘Tory MP Mark Menzies pressurised to reveal what he knew about immigration status of chem sex rent boy blackmailing lover’.

At this point, if I were AM I would definitely have left the country.

’AIBU, I want to move but DH has this hobby…the other club members are very odd…I don’t think they even like him…’

I don't understand why politics seems to attract the sort of people you're likely to find upside down in their wardrobe with an apple in their mouth. Particularly, it must be said, the blue side of the house.

That said, AR still has questions to answer despite some very odd behaviour from someone else unconnected.

If the playbook sounds familiar, that’s because the Conservative MP pulling the strings behind the Angela Rayner living arrangements saga is the same one who consistently led the charge over the “Beergate” controversy involving Keir Starmer.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/apr/17/tory-attack-dog-reheats-failed-ploy-used-against-starmer-to-go-for-rayner

Well no, the detail is none of our business. All we need to know is whether she is prosecuted for anything or made to pay fines etc. Which she won't be, I bet.

Like Mrs Sunak's tax domicility was none of our business? Given her role as resignation demanding attack dog in chief, I want to see that she's obeying the spirit of the law, and not weaseling out on some statute of limitation.

You are comparing apples and oranges and letting dislike of Rayner cloud things.

Anyway, the Menzies story is now beginning to dwarf the Rayner story.

As this thread nears its end, I've been very amused by a couple of things. 1. It's existence, and 2. How much some people are hell bent on pinning a trivial matter (compared to other political misdeeds of a much larger 'proven' nature) on someone's demonstrably good character and motivations. It's actually quite laughable.

I was wondering if this was AR or AM. Could. E either.

I think AR and AM (no suggestion of criminality in either case)are both much less relevant than the question of why Menzies has only just resigned.

Good point @Merrymouse

It's not at all laughable how ANYTHING but total honesty and integrity is acceptable

It's not at all laughable how ANYTHING but total honesty and integrity is acceptable

In an ideal world of absolutes, agreed, but I don't see the relevance of your point to this thread.

I know what you mean, but sadly we are all fallible, There are not many humans who have never done anything dishonest in their whole lives, especially in our younger days.

I do think, though, once someone becomes an MP they need to act with complete honesty and integrity and be booted out of Parliament if they don't.

For me, the main reason 'the playbook sounds familiar' is that Keir Starmer and Angela Rayner have brought these investigations upon themselves via their own hypocrisy and lies.

Both Keir Starmer and Angela Rayner made a great deal of fuss over the cheese and wine meeting in the Number 10 garden - then it turned out that they had held their own curry and beer meeting with a similar number of people (18 and 17), under similar rules, inside (which is arguably worse). Keir Starmer then dug a hole for himself by telling a catalogue of lies about his evening - contradicted by several witnesses, e.g. the curry delivery guy and the hotel.

Likewise, Angela Rayner has harangued numerous people over their tax affairs, been extremely evasive about her own tax affairs and come up with some cock and bull story about her living arrangements (or her team have) - which numerous witnesses have contradicted.

I should add that I read only last week that 'Beergate' still features frequently in focus groups - so it did damage Starmer's personal brand.

Alexandra2001
Nom Dom was changed not because of media pressure but to take away a tax policy that Labour had announced...

13 April 2024
‘Petrified’ non-doms poised to flee UK over Labour’s tax plans, say experts.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/apr/13/uk-non-doms-uk-labour-tax-plans

IClaudine
Why is any of this relevant, Clav? Corbyn ...

Just skip over the posts you don't find relevant. I know you are anxious to focus exclusively on Angela Rayner but don't let it get to you - it's only Mumsnet.

It always comes back to 'poor Boris' for you Clav

Ffs to what end? His party is 20 points ahead. If it's considered to have been effective you have conservative PM is so much more unpopular than Sir Beer. If the Tory Party paid as much attention to its competency as it does to its shit slinging campaign it would be doing far better.