Is Angela Raynor a liar or is it all anti Labour media bias?

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I’m well aware how anti Labour a lot of the main stream media seem to be so I wasn’t paying much attention previously to all the stuff about how she should have paid capital gains tax on her house, etc. she was adamant that she didn’t need to.

So it seems like she said it was her main residence so not liable for capital gains tax. But her husband and kids lived in a house a short distance away apparently for the first five years of their marriage which is unusual. A neighbour who lived next to her “husband’s” house said it was the main family home and Angela definitely lived there.

I’ll be sad if she has lied. Always thought she was on the side of the ordinary person. I guess the police/tax man might have a hard time proving anything though regardless of the neighbour’s statement. If all bills, etc were in the individual names there’s no evidence.

...but only one party leader ended up with a fine for breaking the law
... there is only national law, not regional... so clearly Starmer didn't break it but Boris did, as did Sunak and over 125 fines dished out, some for multiple breaches....

AR is being investigated by the Police and will step down if guilty... can you name a Tory MP who has said similar?

I take it these numerous witnesses have cctv evidence and that its not just what they thought?

Are you sore because I said I sometimes skim past your posts? C'mon, you need a thicker skin than that on MN.

I missed this last Friday while I was away;

Newsnight’s political editor Nick Watt admitted editing an interview he conducted with the Labour deputy leader three weeks ago to remove a comparison between the row over her former council house and the "Beergate" saga...

In the segment of the interview that had been cut, Ms Rayner had refused to commit to resigning if she was found to have committed an offence...

“for transparency, I should say that the Labour team did after the interview raise concerns about that exchange."

The broadcaster aired the clip for the first time on Friday after Greater Manchester Police (GMP) said it had launched an investigation.

https://news.yahoo.com/bbc-under-fire-editing-rayner-141726369.html

IClaudine
Are you sore because I said I sometimes skim past your posts?

I'm not sore at all.

Alexandra2001
...but only one party leader ended up with a fine for breaking the law
... there is only national law, not regional... so clearly Starmer didn't break it

I guess if it was clear that Starmer didn't break the law then it wouldn't keep coming up in focus groups - unless the participants are focusing on Starmer's lies instead.

Can you give us an example of those focus groups?

A link to the focus group outcomes would be appreciated, Clav. Thanks in advance.

Alexandra2001
AR is being investigated by the Police and will step down if guilty... can you name a Tory MP who has said similar?

Clearly she didn't at first as per the link above.

Anyway, it's a tactic Labour have used before;

Keir Starmer is accused of piling pressure on police with threat to quit if he's fined over Beergate as MPs say it's a cynical ploy to sway the outcome of investigation.

... his opponents said this had placed detectives in the difficult position of knowing their decisions could decapitate the official opposition and leave Labour looking for new leadership.

Barrister Francis Hoar also criticised the move, saying that ‘to undermine the presumption of innocence and put the police under pressure is wrong. A former DPP should know that’.

Sir Keir’s move echoes an intervention by Tony Blair, who is reported to have warned the police he would have to resign if he was interviewed under caution over the ‘cash for honours’ scandal, causing the officers to back off.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10798913/Keir-Starmer-accused-piling-pressure-police-vows-quit-fined-beergate.html

Not exactly a glowing endorsement from YouGov in Feb;

Starmer has arguably become a drag on the Labour brand, with his own rating having been consistently lower than his party’s over most of the last year.

If Angela Rayner has to step down, will Labour members pick someone on the left who is very pro-Gaza?

I thought I was the only one to skim past Clav's posts. Good to know others do it too.

She took out a bank loan for a "boob job" around 2010 if that helps;

https://news.sky.com/story/angela-rayner-borrowed-5-600-for-cosmetic-surgery-after-shedding-baby-weight-12745228

Well if the loan was secured against her house, it probably would reduce her CGT liability. Nice one Ange!

I see that Angela Rayner's ex-lover/partner is concerned about vote-rigging in his failed re-selection bid. Some relevance to the thread:

found numerous individuals who were not living at the addresses that they were registered to on the Labour party membership system.

Tarry’s campaign team then carried out an exercise where they compared the membership records with the electoral register. He says they identified a significant number of members not listed on the electoral register at the addresses on a membership list provided to him.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/apr/03/sam-tarry-deselected-labour-mp-complaint-vote-rigging

Another complaint from a Labour MP in Wales;

Beth Winter, who represents Cynon Valley, has been exchanging legal letters with the party over how Anonyvoter was used in her selection race

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/03/22/labour-party-selection-sam-tarry-angela-rayner/

Plus an ongoing police investigation in Croydon;

Croydon Labour is subject to a criminal investigation over allegations of vote-rigging in a parliamentary selection.

On one list, 71 members had their home address changed compared to a list from earlier in 2023; 26 had their phone number changed; 40 members had been given a “new” email addresses...

https://insidecroydon.com/2024/03/18/scotland-yards-cyber-crime-unit-investigating-croydon-labour/

Subsidence by the sounds of it!

You prefer it when people borrow money to pay off "bad people" Clav?

You forgot "and used party funds to pay off those debts."

Naughty @DuncinToffee. Spank yourself (at your own cost).

But the Police did and have still investigated, so it has not impeded the the Police, or do you think the Police are bias towards Labour??? you probably do!

Amazing considering the numbers of Tory MPs that have are being investigated for many serious offences, that not one of them has said they would stand down if guilty.

You certainly don't believe in the presumption of innocence do you? Starmer was found to have committed no offence, in our system, thats the end of the matter but still you keep dragging it up...... its very weak, no one cares, just as they wont when the AR case is resolved... either way.

Your lot are sunk because of their totally failure to have improved a single public service, inc defence, a normally strong subject for the Tories, yet they have given us some of the highest tax burdens for over 70 years...... that means they are wasting money, have presided over record ill health/work absence & cost ordinary households '000s in by electing Truss as leader, who know appears to need urgent mental health treatment.

Yet your only response is Beer and Rayner.... where is the infamous Richi Sunaks "Plan"

Don't worry. Sunak is going to stop those awful GPs from merrily signing shirkers off as long term sick, allowing said shirkers to get benefits.

Except that doesn't actually happen. So Sunak is misleading the public.

But Angela Rayner.

Publishing one child's birth certificate didn't work, so onto the next one

The press really are vile. That proves/disproves nothing as where here children lived has nothing to do with which property was her PPR for CGT purposes at the time of sale. Or whether CGT was due.

At this point it’s not clear what they are trying to demonstrate. I just feel sympathy for her son. The poring over the details of how her teenage child split his time between his parents is completely disproportionate to what they have so far suggested she might have done.

Objectively, yes, you’re right.

But that’s not the reality. If this was a story about a senior Tory the same would be done by the Mirror, Guardian and Independent. With Labour support and encouragement, trumpeted by Rayner.

I don't know about that @WhatsTheUseOfWorrying . I can't think of any comparable coverage of a possible small scale wrong doing by a Tory MP.

That would also be wrong.