Is Angela Raynor a liar or is it all anti Labour media bias?

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I’m well aware how anti Labour a lot of the main stream media seem to be so I wasn’t paying much attention previously to all the stuff about how she should have paid capital gains tax on her house, etc. she was adamant that she didn’t need to.

So it seems like she said it was her main residence so not liable for capital gains tax. But her husband and kids lived in a house a short distance away apparently for the first five years of their marriage which is unusual. A neighbour who lived next to her “husband’s” house said it was the main family home and Angela definitely lived there.

I’ll be sad if she has lied. Always thought she was on the side of the ordinary person. I guess the police/tax man might have a hard time proving anything though regardless of the neighbour’s statement. If all bills, etc were in the individual names there’s no evidence.

Well, we don't know about AR's actions.

We've a series of unsubstantiated allegations, which is very similar to "Beergate" again, investigated by the Police, with no further action taken.

The Tories also have their own anti Starmer poster on here, who constantly bangs on about Starmer/curries/beer and how many were present, never lets it lie....& across any political or gender thread..... no ridicule from you on this person is there?

We are asking questions of AR, she is being investigated and she has said she'll stand down if guilty, which, for me (and other Labour supporting posters on here) extends to the tax question too.

So, what more do you want???

Since when has a Tory minister said he/she will resign if guilty.... its all very one sided and thats the evidence of the bias shown towards Labour.

@Idontknowwhattodo78 Also, Rayner was definitely separated if not divorced from her husband when she was in a relationship with Sam Tarry. He was also separated.

I care not a jot what fiscal or moral rules/laws Angela Rayner has transgressed - However the fact that she bought a council house under the Tory / Thatcher ‘right to buy’ scheme (at a hefty discount) and then sold it on proves how morally bankrupt she is - By doing this individuals brought about this horrendous housing crisis by forcing people to rent from private landlords

The comments even spilled onto other threads with one regular ex-MNer (since banned or institutionalised) who used to harangue posters and follow them over asking about BJ and cake.

To be fair it was a reasonable question, serving to remind people that Johnson was guilty but didn't take any consequences. Which frankly is my main issue with the wrongdoings of the Tory politicians in the forefront today.

@eveoha that brings us back to only certain type of people being allowed to own houses. That's immoral.

I'm a socialist and yet I own my own house. RTB was to enable as many people to be able to own their home. Absolutely nothing wrong with that - the issue was that the money wasn't ploughed back into funding more affordable homes.

As a socialist I believe everyone should be able to afford their own home - a living wage should theoretically make that possible.

Some people on here seem to think that socialist means being poor and on benefits or something.

Zonder - Of course there’s something wrong with buying social housing stock which was built purposefully to provide people who didn't have the wherewithal to buy a property I can see how your muddled thinking came about - you obviously fell for the Thatcherite spiel and as did Ms Rayner, you jumped on the Anti socialist bandwagon - the effect of which are sadly writ large in and visible in the awful state of the country and society today And for that I cannot forgive you or Angela Rayner and the hosts of others for profiteering re social housing

Quite the vitriol in some of the latest posts

Don't be so bloody ridiculous and patronising. If housing stock built for people without the means to buy a property can be sold to them at a reasonable rate to help them get on the property ladder (like all those wealthier people who earn more than a living wage) then that's a good thing. Or do you think they should know their place and doff the cap to their landlords?

I'll just explain it again simply. The money from selling the houses should have gone into building more houses that people not yet able to get on the property ladder can rent affordably. It didn't. That was Thatcher's huge mistake.

I don't suppose AR cares any more than I do about being forgiven by you 🤣

I do really like the desperation of some very obvious Tory supporters who come on here pretending they are hardcore socialists......

Less well off people should only ever be allowed to rent from their betters.

I didn't agree with right to buy, but I don't blame anyone who decided to go for it.

As pp said, the problem was not those buying their homes, but the policy of not allowing the money raised to be ploughed back into building more houses. Thatcher wanted us to become a nation of homeowners. Didn't quite go to plan, eh?

Zonder no real logic in your response - and am concerned re extrapolations and assumption re my politics - i have never voted anything but Labour - despite the many party members / MPs deviating from the original tenets . Let’s not lose sight of the fact that not everyone fits any iprofile necessary to be accepted for a building society mortgage - (my husband and I i are now in that position) hence the necessity for social housing and not extortionate private rentals with ever increasing service charges. I’m so glad you don’t care re any element of forgiveness for capitalism and solipsism - as it is evidence that Karl Marx was correct in his assertions

Johnson and the rest have behaved so badly and fucked up running the UK so spectacularly that there was much to discuss on those threads. No wonder they filled up so fast.

Btw, why did Johnson think he was allowed cake and a birthday party when children weren't? That question has never fully been answered.

NO WHATABOUTERY!

(That’s the ‘approved’ position isn’t it?)

eveoha stop personally attacking Zonder. MN frowns on it.

The poster I was replying to mentioned the long running Johnson and Tory threads and cake. No whataboutery.

Will do IClaudine 👍 but must proffer congrats to Zonder on derailing post on Angela Rayner’s lack of moral /political compass - Let’s hope she hasn’t got any shares in private medicine or Academy school 🤨

You can have RTB and still have sufficient council housing, the two are not mutually exclusive.

RTB raised the standards in many council house estate, some people tend to look after their own properties a little better than someone else's.

I'd question why anyone who claims to be a labour supporter would attack Rayner over un proven allegations, especially as she will resign if guilty.

Do you really want another 5 years of the Tories?

The only poll that matters is the one at the next GE and genuine supporters shouldn't lose sight of that.

The Tories also have their own anti Starmer poster on here, who constantly bangs on about Starmer/curries/beer and how many were present, never lets it lie....& across any political or gender thread..... no ridicule from you on this person is there?

@Alexandra2001 perhaps you reap what you sow

I am not ‘attacking’ Rayner I am merely stating that what I find reprehensible is her purchase of a LA property through Thatcher’s ‘right to buy’ scheme - which to me says a lot about her character and politics - any issue re lying about any potential tax liability is subordinate tbh - And good to see the upside of ‘right to buy’ being pointed out ie it raises ‘standards in many council estates’ - maintenance of council properties is the responsibility of councils - it’s what rent is meant to cover.

just seen another MN thread re Angela Rayner’s council house purchase and her hypocracy - looks like a few people ckncur with me 👍☘️

Well we will find out or we will find out that the neighbours had their own motivations. For whatever reason Rayner seems to really annoy a certain sort of Tory bloke. I find it a bit depressing the energy they have in belittling her, whether she's done wrong or not.

A man would not get this treatment - it is personal to her

https://x.com/BestForBritain/status/1779841178965364906

Tory MP James Daly refuses to say what offence he thinks Angela Rayner has committed.

When HE was the one that made a complaint to the police after they initially decided not to investigate.

Are you saying that Angela Rayner should have continued to rent?

Link to thread pretty please?

She should have had the foresight to know she would become deputy PM in waiting and have acted accordingly.