Is Angela Raynor a liar or is it all anti Labour media bias?

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I’m well aware how anti Labour a lot of the main stream media seem to be so I wasn’t paying much attention previously to all the stuff about how she should have paid capital gains tax on her house, etc. she was adamant that she didn’t need to.

So it seems like she said it was her main residence so not liable for capital gains tax. But her husband and kids lived in a house a short distance away apparently for the first five years of their marriage which is unusual. A neighbour who lived next to her “husband’s” house said it was the main family home and Angela definitely lived there.

I’ll be sad if she has lied. Always thought she was on the side of the ordinary person. I guess the police/tax man might have a hard time proving anything though regardless of the neighbour’s statement. If all bills, etc were in the individual names there’s no evidence.

If conservatives had not allowed council house buying this would not have been an issue and the country would not be in this housing mess

The issue for the police is whether or not she was resident at the former Council house when, as is a matter of record, she was registered to vote there. Whether CGT was payable is a matter for The Revenue.

Aside from the question of whether (a) the cost investigation and (b) sufficient evidence to prosecute - ie a greater than 50% chance of success - is in the public interest I don't see her being in the Mags Court any time soon.

Even if there was evidence and she plead guilty but with mitigation etc so was fined I can't see it disqualifying her from her post.

The thing is, you can be registered to vote at more than one address and vote in the local elections for both areas if the electoral areas are different. The only thing you can't do is vote twice in the same election.

So the only electoral crime AR could have committed in the latter. Which I highly doubt she has done.

Libel is not a crime. And Donelan’s costs were paid because the government believed her to have become legally liable in the course of acting as a minister. That is completely routine.

Whether there’s any precedent for government costs in a libel action of this sort I don’t know, but I suspect there is.

If AR is charged with anything I imagine it will be an election related offence, not a tax offence.

But then they would have to prove she voted from more than one address. My DS is a student and is on the electoral roll both here and in his uni town. Last local elections he voted in his uni town but not here. Which is legal.

So we now seem to have gone from a flimsy tax related case to an even flimsier electoral case. And how much is it costing the taxpayer?

Libel is not a crime

Ah well that's ok then

Er, well, if you could get arrested for libel most of MN would get their collars felt!

Whatever the findings, as a Labour politician, she has not come out of this looking good and it will follow her around.

Why are they so desperate to get AR? What are they trying to achieve?

Correct its not a crime BUT Donelan wasn't act as a minister using official ministerial channels of communication, she was using a private Twitter account, commenting on matters that had zilch to do with her day job.

Therefore, how on earth can the taxpayer be on the hook for her lack of judgement?

What this whole saga demonstrates is that the media treat Tory and Lab politicians totally differently... eg where was the fuss over Jenrik approving planning for his mate to make millions but costing the taxpayer even more....

@Alexandra2001

That. Exactly.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/mar/06/taypayers-foot-the-bill-after-academics-libel-action-against-minister

Donellan was using her private X/Twatter account to engage in culture war stuff about appointments to a public body, albeit one at Arm's Length. There is no reason at all why the taxpayer should bail her out.

I suppose they’re interested in the probity of the next deputy PM. Especially as she’s very outspoken, vitriolic about opponents and has demanded both resignations and publication of others’ tax details at the drop of a hat.

I suppose they're very interested in trying to look like someone somewhere might be worse than them.

Isn’t that what all politicians do? Even - shock! - left wing politicians.

SHE'S A WITCH! What part of that do people not understand. Let's look at the evidence.🤔

She's a woman.
She's from the North. We all know they practice the Dark Arts up there. It is literally Godforsaken.
She casts spells. Male Tory MPs have spoken of being mightily distracted in her presence, rendering them unable to concentrate on matters of great importance to the country. She was heard mumbling incantations (etonianscumetonianscum) against the government before the downfall of Goody Johnson and his fine upstanding government.☠️
She used to be poor and irrelevant. Now she's relevant and has done well for herself despite Austerity. Suss as fuck.🤨
She has a "freckle" on her left upper arm. Obviously the third nipple she uses to suckle her diabolical familiar.
She's left wing.
She's got gorgeous red hair.
She's regularly seen dancing with devils at crossroads.👹😈👹

Total WITCH!!!
BURN HER!!!

Are witches CGT exempt? Are they also exempt from electoral law? Are they incapable of telling lies?

Ah yes of course.

If in doubt resort to Whataboutery.

Has anyone blamed Liz Truss for Angela Rayner's (alleged) deception yet?

Er, no. Truss's policies have nothing to do with this.

Tory policies under Thatcher do have a connection as they introduced right to buy, which ultimately enabled Angela Rayner to become the Master Fraudster she is today.

Well, the current investigation seems to be about electoral fraud rather than CGT, so how do you think they're going to prove that? It's legal to be registered at two addresses as long as you don't vote twice. Someone in the Tory party must be very certain that AR has in fact voted twice.

Another take from Dan Neidle:

https://taxpolicy.org.uk/2024/04/12/living_with_spouse/?

That's really helpful, but it won't stop the 'well she should have known because (fill in bogus reason why AR shouldn't be considered to have been a tax layperson at the time)' brigade.

I'm still not seeing a lot of outrage about the JCB brothers' 500 million tax case in the right wing press. Odd, that.

I can't even conceive of why the Tories on this thread are going on about AR -who may have £1500 of unpaid capital gains tax-when we have suffered SO MUCH illegality, billions wasted, mates and neighbours contracts during the pandemic , Lula Lyttle redecorations, wives paying tax abroad, Panama, etc etc etc. And all of the rest. How dare you?

Anyway BBC now says Rayner has promised to resign if found guilty of tax evasion, as people should have leaders who believe that the rules apply to them.

The party of dodgy financial dealings and looking after their own is the one now in government, and everyone knows it, even them.

Meanwhile a tax system has been created in which those earning under £34k only, are worse off after NI changes. What utter bastards.

Are witches CGT exempt? Are they also exempt from electoral law? Are they incapable of telling lies?

The Police were asked to investigate AR & Electoral fraud, following a complaint, they said nothing to see BUT a Tory Deputy chair has ordered the Police to reconsider & investigate.

That is what i find most worrying, you or i, if say burgled, would not be able to tell the Police what to do, yet a tory MP can, why is that?

Its all very wrong, the Police should do their job without fear nor favour, yet the incumbent Govt can dictate which allegations they investigate or not.... put it another way, would you be happy if the Police wanted to investigate a Tory MP for electoral fraud but this Daly character stepped in and told the Police not too?

Rayner has said she'll stand down if found guilty, if only you Tories were so honourable.