Is Angela Raynor a liar or is it all anti Labour media bias?

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I’m well aware how anti Labour a lot of the main stream media seem to be so I wasn’t paying much attention previously to all the stuff about how she should have paid capital gains tax on her house, etc. she was adamant that she didn’t need to.

So it seems like she said it was her main residence so not liable for capital gains tax. But her husband and kids lived in a house a short distance away apparently for the first five years of their marriage which is unusual. A neighbour who lived next to her “husband’s” house said it was the main family home and Angela definitely lived there.

I’ll be sad if she has lied. Always thought she was on the side of the ordinary person. I guess the police/tax man might have a hard time proving anything though regardless of the neighbour’s statement. If all bills, etc were in the individual names there’s no evidence.

The common man is bashed left right and sideways....defrauding the tax man

Some of us have vaginas. Not worth mentioning?

Sorry, was just struck by the curious old fashioned way you write. 😉

In what way is it very clear? perhaps she is a personal friend of yours? maybe you were her tax advisor whose advice she ignored?

Or yours is just an opinion based on nothing more than your own political leanings?

HMRC know all about property sales, she claims she didn't live FT with her husband, not that rare an arrangement, the Police have already investigated her for electoral fraud & and found no case to answer....

So still waiting for the evidence.....

@Merrymouse I can assure you I know all the rules regarding CGT.
I also know how people try constantly to avoid paying.
It is pretty clear she lied.

It is also pretty clear how many people on this thread are blind to their political parties failings. I just hate them all.

I don't care if she is Labour or Conservative or SNP, she tried to avoid a very easy to avoid tax bill. I think if she wasn't who she is, she would have managed it without any scrutiny. I could have done this but I am honest.

She is as bent as the rest of them.

I don't care if she is Labour or Conservative or SNP, she tried to avoid a very easy to avoid tax bill

Tax avoidance is not illegal.

You clearly don’t know all the rules if you can’t see that you don’t have enough information to know whether any tax was due.

Yes I’m confused by this statement.

It would have been easy to avoid completely, simply by timing the sale or marriage so that they could each take full advantage of 2 x private residence relief.

I can’t work out whether that is supposed to be ethically better or worse?

@IClaudine

"Tax avoidance is not illegal"

However allegedly making false statements on your living arrangements in order to fraudulently avoid paying tax is illegal.

She either did or did not live with her husband on getting married- it's a fairly simple question to prove one way or the other.

@Merrymouse you are trying to defend the indefensible.
My use of the word 'avoid' rather than the word 'evade', because I forgot I was in mumsnet court, doesn't make Angela innocent.

She tried to get out of paying a tax bill that normal plebs pay.
She is a charlatan and no better than the Conservative ministers that you so obviously do not support.
Your constant defence of her, and trying to show her as innocent makes me see why politicians get away with so much as their supporters are blind.

Well good luck to you in the next 4 years, I look forwards to you defending the rotten Labour party. As rotten as our current leaders.

@1dayatatime Presumably she answered those questions when the police investigated whether she had broken the law i.r.o where she was registered to vote?

Not necessarily that simple. If, in the two years following marriage, she'd nominated her own home as the main residence then that's all the law requires. If she has a a few belongings there and stayed occasionally etc that's probably enough to establish occupation - there's a lot of case law on what constitutes occupation.

My own conveyancing solicitor of choice is very thorough. He would undoubtedly have taken me through the situation in great detail so that I understood the options of (a) making an election in the first two years and (b) what counted as factual occupation after that.

On the other hand if I went for the cheapest offer for the work, handled in a conveyancing 'factory' I doubt I'd have anything to go on but a letter and forms written in legalese.

My use of the word 'avoid' rather than the word 'evade', because I forgot I was in mumsnet court, doesn't make Angela innocent

But tax avoidance and tax evasion are two totally different things, which most people understand as many of us avoid tax via ISAs etc.

If you don't understand the difference, then I doubt you have much understanding of the complexities of CGT either.

You are making the Dan Hodges mistake. It’s irrelevant.

The information she has tweeted would mean that she could claim Private Residence Relief if she weren’t married.

Because she was married they could either nominate their main residence or it would be the one where they BOTH lived - his house.

The general level of confusion just adds weight to the idea that if a mistake was made it was unintentional.

And it’s still possible that no tax was due, even if Rayner didn’t understand why.

She tried to get out of paying a tax bill that normal plebs pay.

You keep saying this but you have no evidence.

Conservative ministers that you so obviously do not support.
Your constant defence of her, and trying to show her as innocent makes me see why politicians get away with so much as their supporters are blind.

Actually I’m just a tax pedant.

@IClaudine you are incredibly patronising.

"My use of the word 'avoid' rather than the word 'evade', because I forgot I was in mumsnet court, doesn't make Angela innocent"

The quote ( above) you used from my post surely shows I am clear there is a difference between avoid and evade?
How strange. How amusing. And how telling.

@Merrymouse you are correct, I personally have no evidence....and neither do you.

As you can read, I have no faith in any politician. They are all rotten.

Only those who do not seek power are qualified to hold it.
Plato

Strange, amusing and telling? Thank you, I had no idea my fairly boring post about tax was so interesting!

@Tauranga I think you are just a bit peeved because you were picked up on (not just by me) a fairly important error in terminology, given the discussion.

Why are you asking me this question again? I answered a very similar question from another poster earlier in the thread. I refer you to my previous answer;

One of my (little) nieces had a birthday party the same week as Boris Johnson in June 2020 - albeit outside in the garden as per the rules at the time (the children were able to use the toilet inside). My niece's birthday party lasted two or three hours - Johnson's so-called party lasted about 15 minutes. I know which party my niece would have preferred.

My little niece had a birthday cake at her party. I didn't see a birthday cake in the photographs from Number 10 - did you?

On the other hand, I'd like to know why Keir Starmer told LBC listeners he was having a curry with 'about 6' people in Durham when there were nearly 20 people there.

Keir Starmer didn't break the law

Boris Johnson did break the law and lied to Parliament

Cake is irrelevant

Cake is also irrelevant to Angela Reyner’s arrangements.

I agree with @Tauranga. I'm going to have a whopping CGT when/if I sell my home because of a similar situation. We saw an accountant who said "This is what you'll have to pay". We have an accountant in the family and his advice was "Well, you might be able to get away with telling them blah blah (v similar to A Rayner).." while pulling a face. I'll be paying it.

No I wouldnt and I have never voted Labour in my life

IClaudine
It depends which property she had nominated as her PPR etc. at the point of sale

That's not correct - she needed to nominate the property within 2 years of her marriage otherwise HMRC make the decision for her based on the facts. I read that in the link provided by Merrymouse.

Rayner hasn't been found guilty of any tax dodging yet. Unlike Zahawi

Zahawi found guilty?

Dan Neidle says;
Carelessly paying the wrong amount of tax isn't a crime (probably Zahawi)

On the LBC clip I heard a few days ago, I'm sure Dan Neidle said it was "silly" to suggest Zahawi had committed a crime.

,We have an accountant in the family and his advice was "Well, you might be able to get away with telling them blah blah (v similar to A Rayner).." while pulling a face. I'll be paying it

How do you know what AR told HMRC?

Also🤣 at the thought of an accountant being squeamish about tax avoidance. It is their job to help people avoid tax. They spend years studying the ways around paying tax.

DuncinToffee
Cake is irrelevant

Two of your buddies asked me about cake so I answered.

Keir Starmer didn't break the law

He still told multiple lies about his evening in Durham whether he technically broke the law or not. But yes, let's move on.