Boris for PM

[Dodie66]

Reports on sky news say that Boris might stand again for PM. How do you feel about that?
i actually liked Boris but he made a lot of mistakes

No he isn't.

It's the party that has the mandate not the individual leader.

When you vote you vote for your MP not the leader of the party, unless of course, the leader happens to be your MP.

However many times the leader changes, which obviously isn't ideal nor is it desirable, while that party is in office they still have the mandate as the party that won enough votes to win the election.

@pigsDOfly
I think we have a lot of people who need to read a British Government snd Politics text book. Many very misinformed people who think the PM is a president. Presidents, by the way, usually have a fixed term of office. They don’t go to the electorate if circumstances change.

of course very few of us vote directly for the PM but a leader of the party can certainly change the direction of who shall be in power

Thatcher, Blair, Corbyn and Johnson all very much had people voting for the party because of the leader at the time (and some turned away because of the leader at the time)

Cameron didn’t have this impact and neither does Starmer and it’s difficult for these type of party leaders to win over votes as they need to rely of the other side doing badly

@HRTQueen
if that’s the case, then why have a party manifesto? People need to think more widely than charisma . I tend to think manifestos are frequently fiction but we do need far more political education so everyone understands that it’s not a presidential system
here. Hence leaders change mid term. When PMs move away from the primus inter pares model we get loss of confidence in them from
the cabinet and it’s manifested by the issues faced by Thatcher and Johnson at the end. Their senior ministers turned on them. So leadership is vital. Pretending to be a king or queen and untouchable doesn’t work in the end.

Can’t help feeling the cons membership have racist leanings - I mean the country was in financial chaos but they chose Lynn Truss - seems to me the MPs did NOT want to trust the membership a second time as it looked like they might vote in Boris.

Yes, racist leanings was my thinking too.

Otherwise, why in God's name would they have decided Lynn Truss was a better bet than Rishi Sunak.

Surely anyone watching her in debates during the leadership contest could see she had no idea what she was doing and was completely out her depth.

I agree, had Boris Johnson stood this time and had it gone to the membership vote they would have voted him in.

Liz Truss promised lower taxes. That’s a big draw for Conservatives. No doubt some are racist but lots of Labour voting areas are not happy about immigrants too. No party is in control of what members privately think.

There are plenty of older and wealthier people who would be only too delighted with interest rate hikes, and who are probably praying for a massive one in November. Prior to the financial crisis, many well-off retired people were accruing about 5-10% per annum in interest on savings. Seems unbelievable now.

@jennakong
Yes. That’s correct. However everyone gets old. If you have a pension underwritten by the government, you don’t need to worry about annuity rates and pension pot size. Others really do need to worry if they are close to retiring. Everyone gets there in the end. There must be a balance so younger people can afford mortgages. I think the old are overly protected at the expense of younger people. However successive governments have very much protected the old.

There are plenty of older and wealthier people who would be only too delighted with interest rate hikes, and who are probably praying for a massive one in November. Prior to the financial crisis, many well-off retired people were accruing about 5-10% per annum in interest on savings. Seems unbelievable now.

Mmm, given the average age of the Tory membership it must be quite a small percentage who still have mortgages.

@PerfectlyPreservedQuagaarWarrior
That is why some of the membership can play fast and loose with other peoples lives. They will always vote for themselves and the party. Not for the best for the country.,

Sunak is prising deeper cuts in public spending. Public spending is already at rock bottom and has been for some time. This is in preference to ripping up and rewriting the tax laws. This needs doing without the advice of accountants imo. Less evasion/theft lies that way.

Rishi is not the most practical guy :served up the wrong dishes during the PR stunt, dropped the poppy etc 😂

Well Me and all my friends think labour is going to get in next election.
I think the Taxes about to be imposed are going to make everyone wonder who the hell they have as a PM.
RS is going to cost everyone so much money and if you think things are bad now, wait till you hear the Budget.
That saying be careful what you wish for, just became the truth.

Well I seem to remember my friends and family and I and all of the mainstream media being completely convinced that Labour were going to win in 1992 and yet...

I'm too jaded to hope we'll see them off easily.

@Bollindger
Are you refusing the energy money? What about COVID costs? What about pensions? Paying for the nhs? Do you think everything is free? Have you looked at which marginal seats need to swing to Labour? Will they? Looking at your own bubble isn’t the full picture.

If Johnson comes back as Prime Minister don't get sick, have an accident or become in need of care because his solutions belong to Fantasyland. He said he had 'fixed' social care. And where is the Brexit bus money for the NHS? What happened to money spent on useless PPE during the pandemic? God help us if the Tories get back in with or without the buffoon.

I honestly can’t see him coming back as PM, but then again, who really knows!

About the only good thing Johnson did was annihilate his own party by bringing it into disrepute by appointing a set of crooks & bullies as his cabinet. He and his party have totally & utterly screwed the country through Brexit.

Didn't sunak appoint the same crooks and cheats? Look at what is currently going on. How can ANYONE vote them in again?

Jeesus christ just STOP VOTING FOR THESE FUCKERS WILL YOU?!?! For the love of fucking GOD!!!

@Hellibore
Oh do shut up! I vote for neither set of idiots but telling me what to do, in capital letters, won’t make me do anything. I also believe the majority of MPs are decent people but some, on the fringes, are misguided. Sheffield Hallam had a real corker selected by the Labour Party until he was rumbled. Have you read about his court case? You should. How did he get selected? Momentum Sheffield one imagines. This constituency was Lib Dem before the crazies took over. Both main parties have their problem MPs. Like police forces have criminal police officers. Selection criteria for both needs an overhaul.

@TizerorFizz shut up yourself.

Nothing is going to change until we get this bunch of uncaring over privileged fuckwits out of office. And I won't stop mentioning it. SHAME on all of you Tory voters. SHAME.

@Hellibore Ive never voted Conservative. However people like you put me off Labour. You really do need to understand that shouting at people is counter productive. You might also need to understand that we need richer people to pay tax so others benefit. Calling people names makes them recoil. It makes them look after themselves.

Dud you look at the former Momentum MP’s court case in Sheffield? No. You don’t want to know do you? Shame on Labour for choosing such a candidate.

You really cannot compare what some idiot back bencher does (from any party) to what a Minister/PM does, he/she has real power to make significant and long lasting changes to the country.

Zahawi was chancellor, getting a fine for missing off £27m from your tax return is not normal behavior ... bullying? Raab or Patel, what Truss did, DC pensions will never recover from what she did to the bond market and the moving of DC funds to DB ones.

The mis handling of the NHS and education, 100s dying needlessly each and every week... imagine what would happen to the board of Barrats or Persimmon if they had such poor H&S that 10 builders died each week?

The Govt is allowing 100s to die.

They are in charge and that (should) carry responsibility.